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Also children of George Kipps & Sarah in Kemsing, Kent: George Hodges, 16 Feb.1845 John Rister, 16 Feb.1845 Blanche Hellen, 26 Mar.1846 Edwin Ryder, 26 Jun.1853 Evidently they waited to christen George Hodges until they were back in Kemsing. He was 8 on the 51 census so must have been born 1843 in Seal, Kent.

Geoff, do you have the christenings of the children in Kemsing, Kent? They're on the BVRI discs, if you don't already have them, I'd be happy to post them. Margaret Update, I might as well post them while I've got the disc out: Children of Robert & Ann Allen, Kemsing, Kent: Robert, 25 Dec.1822 Susanna, 27 Feb.1825 Sophia, 21 May 1826 Ellen, 20 Jul.1828 David Parker, 20 Feb.1831 Jane, 14 Oct.1832 Edwin, 23 Jul.1827 All christening dates.

Robert has died by 1861 Ann Allan Age: 67 Estimated birth year: abt 1794 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Blackwatertown, Hampshire, England Civil parish: Kemsing County/Island: Kent Country: England Registration district: Sevenoaks Sub-registration district: Shoreham ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 58 Household Members: Name Age Ann Allan 67 grocer David Parker Allan 30 tailor Sophia Kipps 11 grandaur Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 487; Folio: 50; Page: 9; GSU roll: 542648. Next door but one Name: George Kipps Age: 45 Estimated birth year: abt 1816 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Sarah Gender: Male Where born: Kemsing, Kent, England Civil parish: Kemsing County/Island: Kent Country: England Registration district: Sevenoaks Sub-registration district: Shoreham ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 60 Household Members: Name Age Ann Elizabeth Kipps 4 Blanche Ellen Kipps 14 nurse Colin Clyde Kipps 8 Mo Edwin Rider Kipps 7 George Kipps 45 tailor George Hodges Kipps 18 footman Sarah Kipps 40 Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 487; Folio: 50; Page: 9; GSU roll: 542648. From Blanche onwards born Kemsing

could be anns death Ann Allan abt 1793 1866 Jul-Aug-Sep Sevenoaks Kent

Thanks very much ladies. More food for thought! LOL, Geoff.

ann 1861? Ann Allan Age: 67 Estimated birth year: abt 1794 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Blackwatertown, Hampshire, England Civil parish: Kemsing County/Island: Kent Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Sevenoaks Sub-registration district: Shoreham ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 58 Household Members: Name Age Ann Allan 67 David Parker Allan 30 Sophia Kipps 11

Robert snr in 1851 Name: Robert Allan Age: 59 Estimated birth year: abt 1792 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Ann Gender: Male Where born: St Georges Blevensbury, London, England Civil parish: Kemsing County/Island: Kent Country: England Registration district: Sevenoaks Sub-registration district: Sevenoaks ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 38 Household Members: Name Age Ann Allan 57 b Hawley, Hampshire Daniel Allan 20 (David) Jane Allan 18 Robert Allan 59 tailor b London St George Blevensbury (Bloomsbury) Hodges Kipps 8 granson b Seal, Kent Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1613; Folio: 62; Page: 10; GSU roll: 193514. Just noticed the index for Hodges Kipps says he is 'governess' lol

1851? Robert Allan Age: 59 Estimated birth year: abt 1792 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Ann Gender: Male Where born: St Georges Blevensbury, London, England Civil parish: Kemsing County/Island: Kent Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: Sevenoaks Sub-registration district: Sevenoaks ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 38 Household Members: Name Age Ann Allan 57 Daniel Allan 20 Jane Allan 18 Robert Allan 59 Hodges Kipps 8

and Sophia mistranscribed in 1851 Name: Sophia Allam Age: 24 Estimated birth year: abt 1827 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Kemsing, Kent, England Civil parish: St George Hanover Square Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: St George Hanover Square Sub-registration district: Hanover Square ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 82 Household Members: Name Age Sophia Allam 24 Anne James 27 Alfred May 9 Catherine May 43 Charles May 46 Charles Osborne May 17 Henry Sorrell 25 Elizabeth Whittingham 28 William Wright 19 Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1475; Folio: 264; Page: 19; GSU roll: 87798.

could robert have died Robert Allen abt 1795 1866 Jan-Feb-Mar Elham Kent if that is his death and he died jan he could have missed the cencus,61

Robert jnr in 1851 Name: Robert Allan Age: 28 Estimated birth year: abt 1823 Relation: Lodger Gender: Male Where born: Kemsing, Kent, England Civil parish: Charing Town: Charing County/Island: Kent Country: England Registration district: West Ashford Sub-registration district: Calehill ED, institution, or vessel: 5a Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 37 Household Members: Name Age Robert Allan 28 Elizabeth Chapman 9 George Chapman 11 Sarah Ann Chapman 23 George Down 33 Mary Down 44 Charley Smith 2 Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1621; Folio: 126; Page: 11; GSU roll: 193522.

Susannah in 1851 Susanna Allen Age: 26 Estimated birth year: abt 1825 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Kemsing, Kent, England Civil parish: Islington Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: Islington Sub-registration district: Islington West ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 106 Household Members: Name Age Susanna Allen 26 Edward C Pryer 36 Edwin Pryer 4 Mo Mercy Pryer 35 Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1499; Folio: 35; Page: 25; GSU roll: 87832.

1861 found Edwin couldn't see him in 1851 Edwin Allen Age: 23 Estimated birth year: abt 1838 Relation: Visitor Gender: Male Where born: Kemsing, Kent, England Civil parish: Dawlish County/Island: Devon Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Newton Abbot Sub-registration district: Teignmouth ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 8 Household Members: Name Age Edwin Allen 23 Edward Bayley 29 Edward Broom 28 Elizabeth Cromwell 45 Elizabeth Heath 78 Luisa Johnstone 21 Abraham Jones 57 Edmun Jones 17 Arthur Mildon 4 m Charles Mildon 6 Elizabeth Mildon 15 George Mildon 46 Harrey Mildon 10 Martha Mildon 46 Robert Mildon 3 Tom Mildon 8 Elizabeth Payne 23 John Phipps 18 Ellin Rudge 35 Ellin West 1 Mary West 20 Grace Williams 21 Ann Wills 29 Eliza Yee 21 Luscombe house looks like they are all servants it also says servant for Edwin

Please could someone kindly lookup the following family in the 1851/61 censi: Robert Allan (Allen?) b~1795 Ann b~1795 Sarah b~1820 London, Middlesex Robert b~1825 Susanna b~1825 Sophia b~1826 Ellen b~1828 David P b~1830 Jane b~1832 Edwin b~1836 All the children from Robert on were born in Kent (very probably Kemsing/Chevening). Robert and Ann were NOT born in Kent. In 1841 they are living in Kemsing, Kent. Robert Snr. and Jnr. are tailors. Sarah marries a Mr. Kipps. Many thanks, Geoff.