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1851 England Census about Elizabeth Pittiers Name: Elizabeth Pittiers Age: 60 Estimated birth year: abt 1791 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Shears, Surrey, England Civil parish: Kensington Ecclesiastical parish: St John County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: Kensington Sub-registration district: Kensington Town ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 41 Household Members: Name Age Alexander Pittiers 3 Elizabeth Pittiers 60 John Pittiers 22 Sarah Pittiers 29 Thomas Pittiers 22 William Pittiers 16

1851 England Census about William Pithers Name: William Pithers Age: 10 Estimated birth year: abt 1841 Relation: Son Father's name: Henry Mother's name: Elizabeth Gender: Male Where born: London, England Civil parish: St George Bloomsbury County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: St Giles Sub-registration district: St George Bloomsbury ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 120 Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Pithers 36 Henry Pithers 40 Henry Pithers 14 Mary Ann Pithers 1 Sarah Pithers 8 William Pithers 10

This is the only Elizabeth I could find! about Elizabeth Pithers Name: Elizabeth Pithers Age: 36 Estimated birth year: abt 1815 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: Henry Gender: Female Where born: London, England Civil parish: St George Bloomsbury County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street address: 119 Bloomsbury Street Occupation: Henry Pithers Journeyman Tailor Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: St Giles Sub-registration district: St George Bloomsbury ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 120 Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Pithers 36 Henry Pithers 40 Henry Pithers 14 Mary Ann Pithers 1 Sarah Pithers 8 William Pithers 10

Yes i have the certificate, William's father is given as Thomas. Doesn't say he is deceased, but i assume he is. I think William then went to stay with his Uncle Elisha hence him being in the 1851 census with Elizabeth and her children. Alexander was a son of Sarah Pithers (William's cousin) and can be seen in 1851, though he is down as 'son' also. Very complicated i must say.

Just wondering how do you think Alexander and William are related? Marriages Sep 1862 Pethers William Kensington 1a 83 Do you have this marriage cert? Val

Val, i know who Alexander was, but the William Peters you listed might be interesting to look into. Pethers can be easily mistranscribed as Peters

Hi you may have looked at these births but I thought I would post them. mar 1848 PITHERS Alexander James Kensington 3 _54 jun 1838 Peters William Kensington 3 182 Val

His name was William Pethers/Pithers born about 1835 Kensington

Hi who was your GGG Grandfather? From Val

Thanks again Vera. 1841 is the crucial census year in working out the parentage of my ggg grandfather....in 1851 he is listed as Elizabeth's son, but i have information contradicting this idea. I guess the directories are the next step. Liz

Hi Lizbeth, Good Luck with your research. Regards Vera

Hi Lizbeth, Hammersmith and Fulham Archives and Local History Centre The Lilla Huset 191 Talgarth Road London W6 8BJ Tel: 020 8741 5159 / 020 8753 3850 Fax: 020 8741 4882 Email: [email protected] They might be able to help....just a thought. Regards Vera

Hi Liz, I found this about London street directories....... maybe someone might be able to help... The first Post Office Directory of London was published in 1799. The 1837 edition was acquired by Frederick Kelly who in 1840, as Kelly and Company, found it expedient to bring the publication into line with its more popular rivals issued by Pigot and Robson. The directory size increased and gained a Trades section. The directory was further improved in 1841 by the addition of a street directory. Regards Vera

Hi Liz, It tells you on Ancestry....On the 1841 census on the search page...scroll down and there is a list. Regards Vera

Thank you very much for your help Vera, i will go have a look. Liz

Thanks Vera, i guess that explains it then. Can i ask where you obtained the information? I have quite a few people missing from 1841, and maybe the above reason is why? Liz

Hi Lizbeth, Some of the pieces that are missing from the 1841....looks like the part you are after might be amongst them...... 668 Middlesex Parish: St Luke Townships: West Finsbury Golden-Lane Old Street Whitecross-Street 680 Middlesex Parish: Paddington 690 Middlesex Parish: Kensington (part) Townships: Brompton Kensall Green (part) Regards Vera

Thanks for your help, ill take a look at the website you gave. Liz

Hi, I had a quick look on www(.)historicaldirectories(.)org - remove brackets - but the only listing I could find for Pethers pre 1850 was for a John Pethers, book binder listed at 10 Carthusian St. Best of luck with your search Maria

Im looking for who was resident at 15 Camden place in 1841, Kensington. I've found the right family there in 1851, but cannot for the life of me find them in 41. I know that one of the sons was born at Camden place in 1825, so i assume they were there in 1841. Anyone know how to do this? Details are: Elizabeth Pethers (Pittiers in 1851) born Surrey c1784 and family. Her husband is in Kensington workhouse so she should be head. Liz