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I think I have explored every avenue trying to find Maria BUTLER b 1870 Woolwich and brother Charles BUTLER b 1866 Woolwich. Neither of their births are registered and so far have failed to locte them on 1871. Yesterady I looked at the parish registers for Woolwich as they are said to be church of England on their school record from where they were on 1881. But no joy. I did find some other Butlers though and wondered if they may hold a clue. so could I have the details of all household residents on the following please? Frank Taylor BUTLER b 1867 son of Clement and Louisa Henrietta Florence BUTLER b 1867 daughter of James and Catherine Frederick William BUTLER b 1867 son of Alfred andSarah Mabel Marion BUTLER b 1867 daughter of John and Lucy. Thank you I am hoping that maybe one of them is harbouring my baby Maria LOL

Hi, Just worked it out Fredericks parents are Alfred and Sarah V

Hi, No wonder I couldn't find your first Butlers they are under Buttle 1871Name: Frank Taylor Buttle Age: 3 Estimated birth year: abt 1868 Relation: Son Father's name: Clement Francis Mother's name: Louisa Matilda Gender: Male Where born: Plumstead, Kent, England Civil parish: Gillingham Ecclesiastical parish: Brompton County/Island: Kent Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: Medway Sub-registration district: Gillingham ED, institution, or vessel: The School of Military Engineering Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 1 Household Members: Name Age Archer Dimia Buttle 2 Charles William Buttle 4 Clement Francis Buttle 38 Ernest Linton Buttle 1 Frank Taylor Buttle 3 Louisa Matilda Buttle 30 Harriet Godfrey 16 Regards Vera

1871 census Name: Mabel M G Butler Age: 3 Estimated birth year: abt 1868 Relation: Daughter Father's name: John M Mother's name: Lucy F Gender: Female Where born: Woolwich, Kent, England Civil parish: Woolwich St Mary Ecclesiastical parish: St John Town: Woolwich County/Island: London Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: Woolwich Sub-registration district: Woolwich Arsenal ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 28 Household Members: Name Age Eliza Bailey 23 Mary Barnett 28 Clarence A P Butler 8 Francis W M Butler 9 Henry E B Butler 12 John B R Butler 13 John M Butler 39 Lucy F Butler 34 Mabel M G Butler 3 Maud A J Butler 4 Emma Gollop 23 Annie J Griffin 14 June x

Hi, Are James and Catherine, Frederick William Butlers parents? Regards Vera

Thank you Dont think there is anything here to give a clue though. I feel they must be on 1871 but mistranscribed. They are not the ones born Hampstead as that Maria is later on 1891 with her married name at her parents house. It looks like that is my family at first but then when you look later you can see it isnt. My Maria Butler married William Pearson

sorry if it looked a bit jumbled.

Hi, So far cannot find and Alfred as father to Frederick....is this any good 1871 1871 England Census about Frederick Butler Name: Frederick Butler Age: 4 Estimated birth year: abt 1867 Relation: Son Father's name: Frederick Mother's name: Sarah A Gender: Male Where born: Ramsgate, Kent, England Civil parish: Ramsgate Town: Ramsgate County/Island: Kent Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: Thanet Sub-registration district: Ramsgate ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 111 Household Members: Name Age Emily Amsley 17 Esther Butler 8 Frederick Butler 40 Frederick Butler 4 Louisa Butler 6 Richard Butler 2 Sarah A Butler 38 Antonstta M Cramer 15 Sarah A Cramer 42 Clement I Peirre 53 Regards Vera

Found this family in 1871. Charles junior about the right age. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BUTLER, Charles Head M 45 Middlesex BUTLER, Elizth Wife F 35 Somerset BUTLER, Alfred Son M 7 Kent BUTLER, Chars Son M 5 Kent BUTLER, Willm Son M 2 Kent -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RG number: RG10 Piece: 792 Folio: 29 Page: 5 Registration District: Woolwich Sub District: Plumstead, East EnumerationDistrict: 6 Ecclesiastical Parish: Civil Parish: Plumstead Municipal Borough: Address: Richmond Place, Plumstead

I think I have eliminated that one already Sue as they are on 1881. My Maria and Charles are in a school and described as illegitimate. Just wondering if there would have been some sort of home or workhouse for unmarried mothers in 1871 that isnt listed on the census

Hi, I would have thought if it was an institution they were in, that it would have been on the census....only other explanation apart fron being missed off.....they were for some reason given different surnames. Very frustrating, when we can't find our ancestors !!! Regards Vera

Hi, Sorry to ask this......you probably have already said....what was their mothers name? Regards Vera