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Hi Di, Thank you once again for the usefull tips on unassisted passage. I will keep a check on them. 3261/1905 MACNAMARA AGNES HENRY 43 YRS CARDIFF WALLSEND I did see this death and thought it could be a possibility. Agnes's Parents names were John & Agnes. But Henry was a very prominent name in her family! She wouldn't have been in Cardiff that long but that would have been about her age. I have found the death of Thomas J Macnamara 1908 Granville I guess if I get this I might find some information on it. Anyway hope you have a good week and that your weather improves. Alison

Hi Alison I think that James and Agnes may have come out as unassisted passengers - it might be hard to find them but if the birth of Robert in 1885 is him, you are getting a narrower time frame. If you can get James death cert, it should tell you children of the marriage and how long he lived in NSW, some of which might help. Is this Agnes death ? 3261/1905 MACNAMARA AGNES HENRY 43 YRS CARDIFF WALLSEND This looks like death of daughter Agnes Pattison - it matches the birth. 2255/1891 PATTISON AGNES JAMES AGNES ADAMSTOWN The best I can suggest is checking the website of unassisted passengers, the lists for the 1880s are growing all the time and you might come across them one day. especially if the death certs can narrow down the time - I find that they mostly quite accurate. www.mariners.records.nsw.gov.au Di

Hi Di, Sorry my fault should have put Cardiff Oz ! What a shame no census! Thought I had missed out on something for a moment! Thank you for the transription advice ...what a good idea $10 cheaper. I wonder if Agnes & James could have sailed to another part of oz before coming to Sydney! Anyway Di thank you once again for your Help. Alison

Hi Sorry there is no census for Australia, for some reason I thought you meant Cardiff Wales (lol) but Cardiff is also a Newcastle suburb. So everything else fits together pretty well. There is a cheaper way to get NSW certificates - transcription agents will get you a copy for $15. These are good for everything except as a legal document. There are three and they are all good - there websites are listed on the page below: http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/howToSearch.htm#TranscriptionAgent The NSW BDMs are on-lline to search at www.bdm.nsw.gov.au Di Di

Hi Diane, Thank you for the information. The Agnes age 3 on the Roslin Castle is the neice of the Agnes I am looking for. Her sister Mary also Married a Paterson, Robert. (no relation to james) It gets so confusing when they can't stick to one spelling. Pattison or Patterson And the death you have found of James's parents Robert & Isabella I think could well be the correct one I will order it. Its so expensive at $25 a pop. I hadn't spotted the births of the children of Agnes & James so this is a good possibility. Especially if the area is around Newcastle. Thank you. I guess if they are Agnes's children they would be with her after she married Thomas Macnamara in 1897 .I haven't seen any census of Australia. Will I be able to veiw I them ? Cheers Ali in Perth( not wet & windy) sorry!

Hi again These are the children born to a couple of James and Agnes Patterson/Pattisons in the relevant period. Did she and her new husband have any (Patterson) children with them in 1901 census ? Minmi and Adamstown are both suburbs of Newcastle NSW. But I don't know if these are the same couple or different. 25112/1885 PATTERSON ROBERT JAMES AGNES MINMI 3710/1891 PATTISON AGNES JAMES AGNES ADAMSTOWN Looking again at the deaths for James - what about the 1894 death of James the son of Robert and Isabella, or is it just a co-incidence ? Di

Hi Alison The passenger list of the Roslin Castle's 1883 voyage is available on line. View the passenger list at: http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/1883/03/002ros.htm (Robert and Mary, James, Agnes and Isabella) NSW Assisted Migrants Index at www.records.nsw.gov.au, go to On-lline Indexes in the State Archives section. I can find Agnes age 3, but no Agnes aged in her 20s or older PATERSON Agnes 3 and family Roslin Castle 1883 2142, PATERSON Agnes 13 Bann 1884 2142, 2495 PATTERSON Agnes 10 and family Australasian 1884 2142, PATTINSON Agnes 2 and family Aberdeen Oct 1885 2143, These are the James Paterson's who died 1881-1897 - do any of the parents names fit yours ? 14083/1888 PATERSON JAMES AGE 78 YEARS DIED WILCANNIA WILCANNIA 14304/1888 PATERSON JAMES JOHN JANET YOUNG 535/1889 PATTERSON JAMES JOSEPH MARY A SYDNEY 6477/1892 PATERSON JAMES L WILLIAM JANE HUNTER 14603/1886 PATERSON JAMES AGE 20 YEARS DIED AT SEA MARINE 9173/1894 PATTERSON JAMES ROBERT ISABELLA NEWCASTLE 12887/1894 PATERSON JAMES H JAMES LILLIAS STROUD 13660/1894 PATERSON JAMES A ALEXANDER UNKNOWN WALLSEND 8043/1897 PATTERSON JAMES L A JAMES A MARTHA L DUBBO 8699/1897 PATERSON JAMES GEORGE SARAH LIVERPOOL 7477/1881 PATTERSON JAMES W JANE GUNNEDAH 8579/1882 PATERSON JAMES D AGE 45 YEARS DIED COOTAMUNDRA COOTAMUNDRA 4827/1883 PATTERSON JAMES SAMUEL ELIZABETH ST LEONARDS Di In wet cold and windy Sydney

Can anyone help Please? I am looking for the passage of James & Agnes Pattison/ Patterson to Australia NSW after 1881. Married 1880 The last I have of these people are in the 1881 census Scotland. James age 30 & Agnes age 22. Agnes remarried in 1897 in Cardiff Her sister Mary & Family arrived in Sydney 1883 On the Roslin Castle. Thanking you. Alison