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Thank for that Sarah. Is the foster father's surname stated on certificate too? Apparently, Llewellyn was brought up by another family - with the surname Lane. They ran a lodging house. My elderly aunt remembers 'a Robert' but cannot connect with any surname, and she is a bit vague bless her. Her memory is fading. She also mentions a Sarah May Lane (she always smiles when talking about Sarah May) but she cannot remember if Robert was her husband or father! Thanks again Gail

Hi Gail Not sure this will be of help to you but my great grandmother (Rosenna Moss) was brought up by another family due to her father dying young. (the Larby's) On her marriage cert her father is recorded with her foster fathers first name ie it was recorded as Thomas Moss when her actual father was Henry Moss and her foster father was Thomas Larby. Hope this is clear and it helps a little. Kind regards Sarah

Thanks for your help everyone. Yes, not long for 1911 census!!! Again, thanks for reading and responding to such a long message - it is appreciated Gail

other option being , that you dont have the right certificate at all.

Hi I agree with the others that Llewellyn was probably illegitimate. Have you looked for a possible brother Robert, the marriage witness ? Have you looked at his mother's family to see if Llewellyn was a family name ? we have a similar problem with Emma Lewis Leek, born 1824 'Monmouthshire', parents unknown. Now, I think she was illeg. to Annie, not baptised as an infant but at 16 in Bristol !! She named one of her sons Lewis and another Llewellyn, so I am looking for name connections !! Diane

Sorry, but the simple reply is - he was illegitimate and made up the name of his father for the sake of respectability. If his mother was married, then her husband's name would appear, by default, as the father of her child. No father named means he was illegitimate - the Registrar is not allowed to put the father's name on the cert, unless he attends registration. OC

If only the mother's name is on the cert, she was not married to the father. In such cases, the father has to be present when the birth is registered in order for his name to be entered on the cert. So, IF this is your relation, he was illegitimate, and the chances of your finding out who his father was are slim.......at best. The fact the the mother's occupation was included is also an indicator that she was unmarried. It may well be that his father's first name was indeed Robert...his mother may have told him so, but as to anything else about him, I fear you will be very unlikely ever to know. You may find that 1911 census sheds some light........only 4.5 years to wait......... Reg

I have posted this before - giving it another go incase anyone has some inspiration! Here's what I definitely know to be true: My grandfather Llewellyn John Davies, was born in 1909. He served in 1st Battalion Welch Regiment and was based at Salamanca Barracks in Aldershot at the time of his marriage (5th December 1931). He married my grandmother Mary Hickey in Dowlais, Merthyr Tydfil, South Wales. Llewellyn died in 1965 (aged 56) in Merthyr Tydfil - occupation was Out Crop Borer. Here's some of the problem: My mother, and her siblings, remember very little of their father, Llewellyn - she doesn't know his parents names,but says that he was brought up by another family in a lodging house. She also remembers that he had 'step-brothers/sisters' in the Rhondda Valleys - namely Treherbert and Treorchy. She doesn't know where Llewellyn was born, but he was definitely Welsh! Some other details: Llewellyn and Mary's marriage certificate states that father was Robert Davies - deceased, occupation Coal Miner The witnesses at the marriage were Eileen Hickey (Mary's sister) and Robert Davies (possibly Llewellyn's brother??) What little progress I have made: I ordered a birth certificate for Llewellyn John Davies 1909 Pontypridd - which is the right district. It is the only birth I can find fitting the full name and correct year. I was hoping that the father's name would state Robert Davies - how wrong I was. It states the birth address in Treherbert, with the mother's name Margaret Martha Davies, occupation Charwoman. However, the father's name and occupation have just a line drawn through the box. Could this mean that father was unknown - or is 'father unknown' stated on certificates? Could the father have died before the birth registration - or would his name be included and 'deceased' marked on certificate, as on marriage certificate? Or could there be other explanations - such as Margaret not wishing to name father? I have started to research the Welch Regiment side of things, but this is more difficult as Llewellyn did not die in service. I am considering researching Mining Records (if there are any) to see if they have Robert Davies, but I guess it's quite a common name so not holding out much hope of being certain I have the correct Robert Any suggestions on what I can do next? Thanks very much, in anticipation of your many replies! Apologies for such a long message Gail