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Thanks all ..it is poss that Julia could be in London ,,if i have the right family Julia's siter Eleanor was born in London in 1827 as her father[Tomas Jones] was a soldier they may have moved around ....

There's this Julia, place of birth not known. Could she have been in London? Julia Jones Age: 17 Estimated birth year: abt 1834 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: N Civil parish: Holborn St Andrew Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: Holborn Sub-registration district: St George ED, institution, or vessel: 5e Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 66 Household Members: Name Age Julia Jones 17 Esther Ward 33

There's this Thomas, which may or may not be him. I can't make out his occupation, it's .....maker. Neither does it give a relationship to head, but presume he's a lodger. Thomas Jones Age: 15 Estimated birth year: abt 1836 Gender: Male Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Bury Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul Town: Bury County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: Bury Sub-registration district: North Bury ED, institution, or vessel: 1f Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 58 Household Members: Name Age Ellen Ashton 22 George Ashton 50 Mary Ashton 50 Fenton Bislon 15 >>>>>Thomas Jones 15

Sorry, Elaine, I've been looking for them too, but can't find them. I would assume they were in the one of the many 'missing' bits of the 1851 for Lancs. This what Ancestry list as 'damaged': 2219 Lancashire Manchester Ardwick Birth in Rusholme Burnage Chorlton-dum-Hardy Didsbury Gorton Levenshulme Openshaw Rusholme Withington 2220 Lancashire Manchester Ardwick Chorlton-upon-Medlock 2221 Lancashire Manchester Moss-side Hulme 2222/1 Lancashire Eccles Pendleton 2222/2 Lancashire Eccles Pendlebury 2222/3 Lancashire Manchester Broughton-with Kersall 2223 Lancashire Manchester Salford 2224 Lancashire Manchester Salfrod 2225 Lancashire Manchester 2226 Lancashire Manchester 2227 Lancashire Manchester 2228 Lancashire Manchester 2229 Lancashire Manchester 2230 Lancashire Manchester 2231 Lancashire Manchester Bradford Beswick Newton with Culcheth & Kirkmanshulme 2232 Lancashire Manchester Alt Alt-Edge Alt-Hill Ashton-under-Lyne Blackley Cheetham Crumpsall Failsworth Great Heaton Harpurhey Knott Lanes with Lees Knott Lanes & Wood Park Little Heaton Moston Prestwich Taunton 2233 Lancashire Ashton-under-Lyne Ashton Town 2240 Lancashire Prestwich Oldham (St Mary's, St Peter's, Wernet, and Westwood Wards) Quite a lot!! Debs

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No luck with any of them. I wondered if Ellen was a widow & remarried, but far too many Ellen Jones married between 1841 & 1851 in Manchester alone. Ozi.

Please can anyone find brothers Thomas Jones 1836 James 1840 and sister Julia Jones 1834 they are in Manchester in 1841 Nicholas Street with mother Ellen all born Lancs thanks Lynn