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asking around the older family members, i have come across a joseph barnes jones and a caroline Tusan or thusan...... He was a gypsie, she apparently was jewish... he got thrown out from the family for marrying a jew...... this would have been back in the late 1880's. i can't find a marige for a barnes jones+tusan, only william barnes jones and a caroline powis........ would they have changed their names??? thanks to anyone who can help anis

do you have one of their childrens birth certs? that will tell her maiden name. where are they likely to have married? when was their first child born.Where? have you found them on any census?

i've only found a william barnes jones that married a caroline powis. william was a son of theirs which would correspond to my greta grandad the problem is, my dad gave me the powis name with william, on the 1881 cesus, it said they were married in 1894 in hanover, but his sister told me about this joseph and caroline tusan. and i can't really say to each of them 'my dad said....' or your sister said....'cos there's been a family tiff.....for the past 20 years!!! lol....gggrrrrrrr tusan doesn't seem to come up anywhere!! but joseph barnes jones does com up.....can't find his parents though i think there might be a family secret somewhere down the line.... or so rumour has it!!!! lol

Is this his birth? Name: Joseph Barnes Jones Year of Registration: 1868 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar DISTRICT: Poplar County: Greater London, London, Middlesex Volume: 1c Page: 712 Reg

Caroline is not a Jewish forename, although of course she may have been racially Jewish but not from a practising family. I am puzzled - where on the census does it say they were married in Hanover? Census don't normally carry that sort of information. Are you sure of the spelling of Tuson? Could it be Tewson? Not a Jewish name either, as far as I know. OC

Anis We can't even begin to help without dates............. Some of your info does not make sense, I'm afraid. You refer to an 1894 marriage being on the 1881 census...........impossible, date-wise, even if censuses carried marriage info.......which they don't. Reg

how stupid...... of course it wouldn't make sense.... i was writing all that at 2 in the morning!!! sorry!!! right, i'll start again, and then get some sleep!!!! caroline barnes jones is my grand mother. she was born in 1913. and married a ward. My father says her dad was called william barnes jones, and her mum caroline powis. we've found that marrige cert dated 1894. my dad's sister on the other hand thinks her mums dad is called joseph barnes jones, there is one of him around )and her mum a caroline tusan, but no, we're not sure of the spelling. Reg and others have found a marrige for william barnes jones and caroline powis, but i'm just intriged about this joseph and 'tusan.....' I'm only supposing all this happened in the london area....where exactly i couldn't tell you..... i'm really sorry about the incoherance.... as soon as something might stick, i get soooooo excited. sorry

You can't trace your ancestry on hearsay and guesswork. Look for, and then buy, the birth cert for 1913..........it's the only firm piece of info you seem to have. It will tell you the full names of both parents, and the father's occupation. You can then look for their marriage...and work back from there............. Reg

I've just looked at births for 1913 plus JFM 1914..........no Caroline B Jones. When did she marry Mr Ward? You may need to get the marriage cert to discover her correct age...........that document will also tell you her father's name and occupation......... Reg

From Family Relatives Caroline B Jones MMN Powis was registered in Islington OND 1912 ref is 1b 575 but please check it before ordering the cert.

i have applied for the marridge cert....... i know it's the only way to go backwards....... also, my dad has a load of old papers in england, it might be in there somewhere!!! lol thanks for helping everyone.......

Have found this on 1901 Name: William B Jones Age: 28 Estimated birth year: abt 1873 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Catherine Gender: Male Where born: Islington, London, England Civil parish: Islington Ecclesiastical parish: St James the Apostle Prebend Square County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Islington Sub-registration district: Islington, South-East ED, institution, or vessel: 19 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 30 Household Members: Name Age Catherine Jones 29 Stepney Florrie E Jones 1 Islington William B Jones 28 Islington Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 188; Folio: 102; Page: 6. I know the wife is down as Catherine but it would bring in a Florence

I like playing with names and have come up with Touissaint, which would be pronounced Tuson! How this will help you I don't have a clue! It isnt a Jewish name either. OC

we definatly (or rather my aunt definatly knew a caroline....the name got taken down the generations 'till now.....!!! lol but i have already seen these types of names get mixed up, especially round the time when not all people were schooled... hey and thanks for the name playing., I live in france for heavens sake!!!! why didn't i think of that one!!!! lol I'll check all the old papers my dad has......to see if i can see anything that adds up....or not....lol.... Florrie was a new one, i found her out only yesterday from my aunt...., my dad didn't even know about her........lol thanks again.... It must be awful trying to figure me out!!! lol i'm dylexic with numbers already, and losing my english....., and what with my dad getting names wrong, and my aunt adding others!!! lol what a mess......