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Heather im orderin online as we speak lol i waited to long to find this stuff out im not wastin any time.

Heather and Gail you are both brilliant 100% per cent ive been doin my tree for 2 ears nw and hit that wall a while back and left it while i had other stuff to do so wen i got back to it was stuck until now so BIG THANKS to you both Lynette xxx

Send off for that marriage cert now to track her down with her fathers name.

I hope Lynn has seen it !!

Good, yes I have read it now - think I was posting at the same time. Gail.x

This I think is William (son) and Wife Jemima in 1891 as Padmore.. 1891 William Padmore Age: 22 Estimated birth year: abt 1869 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Jemima Gender: Male Where born: Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England Civil parish: Wolverhampton Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Street address: Unreadable Occupation: Tinman Condition as to marriage: Married Registration district: Wolverhampton Sub-registration district: Wolverhampton Western Jemima Padmore 20 Sarah Ann Padmore 1 William Padmore 22 Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2228; Folio 74; Page 20; GSU roll: 6097338. Then the 1901 I posted above I thought was the same family going by daughter Sarah Ann BUT turned into Bayliss. Gail.

Gail, in case you didnt see previous page - they have turned up in the 1881 Harriet married to the Bayliss guy and very very helpfully a David Podmore living with them. Case solved!

We have it cracked! 1881: Harriet married to the Bayliss guy and just look at those names! Looks like her bro is staying with them - entered as a boarder. Name: William Bayliss Age: 10 Estimated birth year: abt 1871 Relation: Son Father's name: Arthur Mother's name: Harriett Gender: Male Where born: Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England Civil parish: Wolverhampton County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Street address: 24 Graisley Passage Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Scholar Registration district: Wolverhampton Sub-registration district: Wolverhampton Western ED, institution, or vessel: 19 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Arthur Bayliss 32 Charles Bayliss 3 Clara A. Bayliss Ellen Bayliss 7 Frederick Bayliss 5 Harriett Bayliss 32 Thomas Bayliss 8 William Bayliss 10 David Podmore 24

oh i think i get jist of what ur saying now i havent got harriets marriage i was on about williams think thats where i got confussed. I will have to send off for the harriet marriage cert and see where that takes me as u have now provided me with 1901 info that really does sound like my lot as i know the didnt move out of st paul parish til the 1940's, so thats a big help and certainly something for me to go and hunt down now, i cant tell you how thankful i am, THANK YOU X

I had just been following 'Fred and Harriet' Bayliss, they seem to be married with other children and I was just trying to work out if it they are one and the same or two different families......... There is a William son of Harriet and Alfred Bayliss on earlier census...... Gail.

this Bayliss name confuses me now, simpl because when william owed the shop wiv his 2nd wife the were both still padmore, the shops name was also 'Padmores Grocery' its in a trade directory in the archieves!!!!

Hmm - this is peculiar isnt it??? Seems a bit too much of a coincidence that the 1901 all the names you gave match and match that possible marriage aswell. Im still not clear - did you sign the MARRIAGE cert as 'single woman'? If you have the marriage cert for Harriet Padmore and the Bayliss chap - what was her fathers name given as?

yes heather harriet signed herself single woman!!!!! i dont understand that myself as for the marriage i have that 2 but without definate ages and parents for harriet i wouldnt know if it was the right one.

That is really odd that you have come up with the Bayliss name as i have just been trying to work out if this William 1901 census is yours.......... 1901 Harriet Bayliss Age: 10 Estimated birth year: abt 1891 Relation: Daughter Father's name: William Mother's name: Jemmima Gender: Female Where born: Wolverhampton Civil parish: Wolverhampton Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Street address: 46 Noakes Buildings Registration district: Wolverhampton Sub-registration district: Wolverhampton Western Charlie Bayliss 4 Harriet Bayliss 10 Harry Bayliss 2 Jemmima Bayliss 30 Nellie Bayliss 1 Sarah Ann Bayliss 12 William Bayliss 30 Tinman William Bayliss 8 Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 2675; Folio: 39; Page: 8. Gail

Gwyn william was the widower i have been told that he later went on to have a 2nd wife which suprisingly i cant trace. i have also found that he owned a shop with this lady and i believe he died late 1950 earl 60's as m mum has a slight recognision of him as a child but no one knows anything definate

You mean on the marriage cert she actually signed and then put 'single woman'??? Just in case this is Harriet marrying, will check under both surnames of the grooms: Marriages Jun 1872 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bayless Frederick Wolverhampton 6b 804 PADMORE Harriett Wolverhampton 6b 804 TURNER Joseph Wolverhampton 6b 804 YATES Ann Maria Wolverhampton 6b 804

When Jemima died was she recorded as wife of...or widow of ? Gwyn

Heather, Harriet signed cert as his mother and listed herself as single woman, and then did the same on his marriage certificate too, i have no ideas if there were more children for harriet but in those days if she had more than 1 child out of wedlock things look murky lol. im totally lost but have a feeling im not supposed to know these facts it all against me which is driving me more ha ha.

This may also be odd but i have only ever found william, his wife Jemima and 1 year old daughter Sarah ann on the 1891 census living in the graisley area of wolverhampton which they did not move out of. They are not on the 1901 census neither is his mother Harriet!!!!!!! I do know jemima died in 1910 but as to william and his daughter i no nothing.... Lnette

Lynette, just a thought but how do you know the Harriet who signed the cert was his mum? Could have been a sister or another relative? Apart from his birth cert - does he always give his place of birth as Wolverhampton and his age - is it always correct on the census and on the marriage cert? Dont worry too much about the workhouse birth - workhouses were often the local infirmary aswell and it may be mum just went there to give birth because of complications. I have ancestors who have bon fide parents but are born in the local workhouse infirmary.