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hiya, i was worried that i'd overloaded you, but then thought praphs you'd only got a connection at work, hope info is good for you julie

Oh My Goodness! Julie, I've just got into work and seen all of your hard work - you're amazing! Thank you so so much!!! Ju xx

hiya, I have searched ancestry's FREE BMD's www*ancestry*co*uk, is free for everyone to search, all you ahve to do is register and then goto search, BMD index, you need to complete index, not the partial ones searched for martha quarter by quarter from 1885-1891, and found ONE death that could possibly be her dec quart, 1886 Martha Rowe age 0 penzance reg dist vol 5c page 201 thats about all i found, hope its ok Julie

possible marriage View Record Thomas Williams 1856 Apr-May-Jun Penzance Cornwall View Record Catherine Wills 1856 Apr-May-Jun Penzance Cornwall ref Name: Thomas Williams Year of Registration: 1856 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: Penzance County: Cornwall Volume: 5c Page: 472 this is only likely one, as they were married for 61 cen but not on 51 julie hope this helps

1851 god i'm smart!! >>> Elizabeth Hocking abt 1767 Camborne, Cornwall, England Mother-in-law Marazion Cornwall View Record John Williams abt 1831 Marazion, Cornwall, England Son Marazion Cornwall >>> Martha Williams abt 1810 Marazion, Cornwall, England Wife Marazion Cornwall View Record Richard Williams abt 1832 Marazion, Cornwall, England Son Marazion Cornwall View Record Sampson Williams abt 1836 Marazion, Cornwall, England Son Marazion Cornwall >>> Thomas Williams abt 1806 Marazion, Cornwall, England Head Marazion Cornwall >> Thomas Williams abt 1830 Marazion, Cornwall, England Son Marazion Cornwall Now we see where Hocking name comes from, was thomas's grannies name julie

1841 View Record John Williams abt 1830 Cornwall, England St Hilary Cornwall View Record Patty Williams abt 1811 Cornwall, England St Hilary Cornwall View Record Richards Williams abt 1832 Cornwall, England St Hilary Cornwall View Record Sampson Williams abt 1834 Cornwall, England St Hilary Cornwall View Record Thomas Williams abt 1806 Cornwall, England St Hilary Cornwall View Record Thomas Williams abt 1828 Cornwall, England St Hilary Cornwall cant even find a census for 1851 julie

1871 View Record Catherine Williams abt 1835 Marazion, Cornwall, England Wife Marazion Cornwall View Record Elizabeth J Williams abt 1860 Marazion, Cornwall, England Daughter Marazion Cornwall View Record Martha H Williams abt 1867 Marazion, Cornwall, England Daughter Marazion Cornwall View Record Thomas Williams abt 1829 Marazion, Cornwall, England Head Marazion Cornwall View Record Thomas Williams abt 1861 Marazion, Cornwall, England Son Marazion Cornwall View Record William J Williams abt 1863 Marazion, Cornwall, England Son Marazion Cornwall julie

1861 View Record Elizabeth Reed abt 1832 Crowan, Cornwall, England Visitor Marazion Cornwall View Record Catherine Williams abt 1835 Marazion, Cornwall, England Wife Marazion Cornwall View Record Elizabeth J Williams abt 1859 Marazion, Cornwall, England Daughter Marazion Cornwall View Record Thomas Williams abt 1829 Marazion, Cornwall, England Head Marazion Cornwall View Record Thomas Williams abt 1861 Marazion, Cornwall, England Son Marazion Cornwall julie see if i can find 71

i know penzance area well, as well as Helston all round there is like a second home, have been holidaying there for about 30yrs, got married in helston last year julie have you got marriage for thomas/catherine? julie

1881 cen >>> Catherine Williams abt 1835 Marazion, Cornwall, England Wife St Hilary - Marazion Cornwall >>> Elizabeth J. Williams abt 1859 Marazion, Cornwall, England Daughter St Hilary - Marazion Cornwall >>> Martha H. Williams abt 1867 Marazion, Cornwall, England Daughter St Hilary - Marazion Cornwall View Record Mary C. Williams abt 1865 Marazion, Cornwall, England Daughter St Hilary - Marazion Cornwall >>> Thomas Williams abt 1826 Marazion, Cornwall, England Head St Hilary - Marazion Cornwall View Record Thomas Williams abt 1861 Marazion, Cornwall, England Son St Hilary - Marazion Cornwall View Record William J. Williams abt 1863 Marazion, Cornwall, England Son St Hilary - Marazion Cornwall thos, is tin miner elizabeth is domestic servant julie

hee hee i know, bit naughty - but once you start its impossible to stop! I can't find any details for Martha after that birth record. They all came from Marazion and births etc were registered in Penzance. x

ah ic now, ur at work, naughty girl!! An ostler is a person employed in a stable to take care of horses. It is alternative for stableman, stableboy, groom or hostler. do you know if martha died?? as shes not on census? will have a look for parents now, see if that helps julie i take it they also came from PZ/ marazion?

In between 1891 and 1901, they seem to have lost Nanny and William and gained John and Thomas!

Hi, sorry, my boss has been hounding me to do some work - what a kiljoy! Right - Elizabeth Jane's parents were Thomas and Catherine Williams. He was a miner. John's father was also called John and was a miller. They married in 1881. Elizabeth was 22, John 20. Their daughter Martha was born 14th Feb 1885, baptised 8th June 1885. I believe Hocking is a family name as it crops up so often in other relatives names, but havent been able to find the link yet. John worked as an ostler(?). Thank you so much! ju x

marthas birth ref Name: Martha Hocking Rowe Year of Registration: 1885 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Penzance County: Cornwall Volume: 5c Page: 269 julie

What was John's occupation at the time of his marriage and at the time Martha was born?

hiya, do you know parents names of elizabeth/john, this might help tying in 'hocking', i would think though that it is a grandparents surname, or a family surname, julie

1891 addy still no6 summercourt rd johns occupation- farm ostler >> Jane Rowe abt 1859 Penzance, Cornwall, England Wife Penzance Cornwall >>> John Rowe abt 1863 Penzance, Cornwall, England Head Penzance Cornwall View Record Nanny Rowe abt 1883 Penzance, Cornwall, England Daughter Penzance Cornwall View Record William J Rowe abt 1886 Penzance, Cornwall, England Son Penzance Cornwall julie it does help when you know the area, drove round there plenty of times Julie

I wonder if any of these births would yeild any clues or help your research further........... they carry the middle name HOCKING as did your Martha: Births Dec 1845 ROWE George Hocking Penzance 9 188 Births Mar 1852 ROWE William Hocking Penzance 5c 361 Births Mar 1864 ROWE Louisa Hocking Penzance 5c 393

hiya, addy in 1901 Summercourt he was Town Porter- (occu) julie