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Lou, now I've been shopping and had my lunch, I'm just having a look at Jane's parents on the 1881 and honestly, it gets worse! View Record Jane Chadwick abt 1863 Little Marsden, Lancashire, England Great and Little Marsden Lancashire View Record John Fothergill abt 1823 Newcastle On Tyne Head Great and Little Marsden Lancashire View Record Susanna Fothergill abt 1823 Little Marsden, Lancashire, England Wife Great and Little Marsden Lancashire Again, I would swear the parents' surname is Fothersgill, not Fothergill. The description of 'relationship to head of household' for Jane is 'wife's daughter'. There are also some Cleggs who are lodgers, but let's ignore them. So now we could be looking for a Jane Chadwick marrying a Heyworth or a James Aspin... Kate.

kate its so strange because there doesnt appear to be any trace of james marrying his first wife either so im wondering if he was anti religion or something! still it doesnt help me confirm who his father is! LOL thanks all of you for your help lou

omg kate youve been busy! just went to tescos sorry abt my absence! going to go and absorb what youve just said and come back shortly lou

But as for a Jane Heyworth marrying a James Aspin... or a Jane Fother(s)gill marrying a Heyworth... or even a Jane Fother(s)gill marrying a James Aspin...I'm beginning to feel that I am going round in circles, and I am also hampered by the fact that I don't know where Brierfield is, or that place where Jane and the children were in 1891. But it still could be that Jane wasn't her official name, so if you can find a James Aspin marrying a Heyworth or a Fother(s)gill who had some name other than Jane, that could be it. I suppose you could look for the Fother(s)gills on the 1881 and 1871 censuses to see if their daughter is called Jane on those or if she has a different name? Or could it be that she married somebody soon after 1891, he died, then she remarried to James Aspin? Or did these people not believe in marriage at all? As you can see, I am beginning to lose the will to live too, think I had better quit this and go out shopping instead! Happy hunting(!) Kate.

No, you're safe from the curse of the Keyworths, because yours were definitely Heyworths: Births Mar 1886 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HEYWORTH Willie Burnley 8e 269 Births Dec 1889 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Heyworth Gertrude Burnley 8e 285 Thank goodness for that! Kate.

This is who they are with in 1891, Jane Fothergill abt 1864 Brierfield, Lancashire, England Daughter Great Marsden and Little Marsden Lancashire View Record John Fothergill abt 1823 Newcastle, Durham, England Head Great Marsden and Little Marsden Lancashire View Record Susan Fothergill abt 1819 Brierfield, Lancashire, England Wife Great Marsden and Little Marsden Lancashire The surname of John and Susan looks like Fothersgill, and Jane's surname looks like Keyworth (Willie and Gertrude have the same surname as Jane.) Oh dear, I have got some awkward Keyworths in my tree, I hope this lot don't turn out to be as confusing as mine! Kate.

Oh, this looks like them, doesn't it?! Gertrude Heyworth abt 1889 Brierfield, Lancashire, England Granddaughter Great Marsden and Little Marsden Lancashire Willie Heyworth abt 1886 Brierfield, Lancashire, England Grandson Great Marsden and Little Marsden Lancashire I'll have to look at the image to see who they are with... might have known it wouldn't be straightforward!! Again, back in a little while... Kate.

So this is the 1901 census (sorry if somebody has already posted it): View Record Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island View Image View Record Gertrude Aspen abt 1889 Brierfield, Lancashire, England Daughter Burnley Lancashire View Record James Aspen abt 1841 Burnley, Lancashire, England Head Burnley Lancashire View Record Jane Aspen abt 1862 Brierfield, Lancashire, England Wife Burnley Lancashire View Record Willie Aspen abt 1886 Brierfield, Lancashire, England Son Burnley Lancashire Just looking at the 1891 to see if I can find possibles for Gertrude and Willie... back soon... Kate.

thanks kate. im telling you this family is giving me a headache! will list them all using freebmd. there is little trace of james family on the familysearch.org. i did cross ref for his first wife and got nothing! the gro are looking for me. thanks for those entries will look in to them. lou

Not sure if you've already tried this, but make a list of all the James Aspin marriages you found on the GRO indexes that you thought might be possibles, then cross-check them against Lancashire BMD, and if it is on there and his bride isn't Jane, cross it off the list. Then you won't have to bother getting those certificates. By the way, it is possible for a marriage to appear in the GRO indexes for the first quarter of the year following when it actually took place, if you see what I mean, but Lancashire BMD would list it in the year when it actually happened. If you are left with no possibles, Jane might be this one: Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1898 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference ASPIN James ALTHAM Sarah Jane Grindleton, St Ambrose Ribble C15/1/213 If James and Jane had any children together, you could get the birth certificate for one of those children to see what Jane's actual name was. (I really hope for your sake she doesn't turn out to be Jane Rimmer!!) Or try to work out where those step-children came from! Kate.

hi again thats then in 1881. i cant find any trace of james marriage to elizabeth (1stwife) but then she may have just taken his name. he was a widow on the 91 c with his 2 boys and then married on the 1901 c. I have seen the marriage entry for sarah ann aspin, need to order that certificate to be 100% but im sure its her. his son john is in hull by 1901 and thomas im not too sure about yet, havent really looked in to him. the children on the 1901 census with him are willie age 15 and gertrude age 12, i suspect they are step children that have taken his name. will get back to you on elizabeths death... lou

Is this Elizabeth's death in 1883? Deaths Dec 1883 ASPIN Elizabeth 35 Haslingden 8e 120 Georgina.

Lou bear with me I am just building the picture. Is James's first wife Elizabeth? and is this the family in 1881... Eliz. Aspen abt 1847 Burnley, Lancashire, England Wife Habergham Eaves Lancashire James Aspen abt 1841 Burnley, Lancashire, England Head Habergham Eaves Lancashire John Aspen abt 1878 Blackburn, Lancashire, England Son Habergham Eaves Lancashire Sarah Ann Aspen abt 1875 Burnley, Lancashire, England Daughter Habergham Eaves Lancashire Thomas Aspen Blackburn, Lancashire, England Son Habergham Eaves Lancashire I have found the daughters marriage.. Marriages Mar 1898 Aspin Sarah Ann Burnley 8e 315 Bromley Edwin Burnley 8e 315 Howarth Etta Burnley 8e 315 TOMLINSON William Burnley 8e 315 1901 census.. Edwin Bromley abt 1876 Row Bridge, Lancashire, England Head Burnley Lancashire Elizabeth Bromley abt 1898 Burnley, Lancashire, England Daughter Burnley Lancashire Hannah Bromley abt 1900 Burnley, Lancashire, England Daughter Burnley Lancashire Sarah A Bromley abt 1875 Burnley, Lancashire, England Wife Burnley Lancashire I know you probably have this info but I need to put it down to keep trace of everyone. Georgina.

thanks ladies i thought james was going to have married jane constable in burnley but checking it with lancashire bmd, jane constable married allen off the same page so its not that one. couldnt find jane rimmers entry on lancashire bmd, havent chacked the other one. lou

Looby, Have you checked Lancashire BMD? I've just had a quick look through and there's nothing that matches exactly. I found a Sarah Ann Baistow married James Aspin in 1892 (does this tie in with the children's ages?) the register is held in Burnley - and there was a Jane Isherwood marrying in 1865 (too soon!) and Jane Slater marrying in 1867 (again too soon) - both to James Aspin. I wonder would they have married in another area (around Burnley) but still lived at that address? It's a possibility to think about. I expect the only way to know for sure is to send for one of the children's birth certificates. Snowdrops

georgina thats very kind of you thanks. james aspin was born in burnley in 1841. think i have him on the 41 census, missing 51. got him 61 onwards. in 1891 he was down as a widow living at 7 eugine street burnley with 2 of his children. in 1901 he is still at the same address hence i know its the right james, married to jane born abt 1862 and there were 2 kids which i suspect are step children.-despite having the name aspin. His children to first wife are sarah ann, john and thomas. the children with him on the 1901 census are willie and gertrude. there are quite a few james aspins married in the time span between the 2 census', only 2 that i found in burnley though. lou

Lou I know you have posted the info before but can you just remind me when your James Aspin was born and any children he had. I have an hour to spare I could take a look for you. Georgina.

debi thanks for your response. im abt 250 miles away from their records office so i cant do that! looks like i will have to order them thanks lou

You could go to the records office and look up the marriage and/or births of the their children to cross refrence............ if too far from the records office you need then ordering the certs is the only way forward ...... Much happiness Debi

ive spent so much time looking at one line of my tree, my head feels like its going to explode and now nothing is making sense! SOMEONE PLEASE REMIND ME: after months of not being able to trace james aspins marriage to elizabeth, i just found him in 1901 re married to a lady called jane. having put a search in fmd there are a few james married in blackburn, burnley area. thought id hit the right one when i saw a lady called jane on the same page but after closer inspection adn further searches she married one of the other names. is there any way without ordering all the certificates that i can find out when and jane who? lou