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Just to throw in another bit - this looks like it may be a possible birth for Isaac? Islington covered City of London Births Jun 1859 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Levy Isaac Jacob Islington 1b 247

Hi Deborah Sorry for the delay in getting back - Internet Explorer decided to crash. To find the info initially, I googled something like 'Jewish names' change community (I can't go back and check as it was someone else's computer), and the sites were: www*jewishgen*org/databases/GivenNames/problems.htm and www*beliefnet*com/story/35/story_3569_1.htm Hope this comes out OK; please substitute dots for asterisks; I used to just bracket the dots and it was fine, but I tried it the other day, and the site ate it; any problems, please PM me and I'll try again..... Pleased the info about name changes was of some relevance; I am at that stage of headachyness where I don't know if I am making any sense..... All the best Lysianne

Could be I- actually everyone else- have found a match HURRAY!!!

The one Jess found matches with his place of birth on the census. Debs, its a matter of finding every bit of info you can to give clues - I cant find Leah on the census for 1871 so it may be this use of names thingy again.

P.S. Where do I find all that Jewish info out.

Thnak you so much for that. I had no idea they did that. That could mean that the suggestion earlier that Simmey could be the one is not such an out there idea. Thank you again.

Hi Deborah - and everyone else This is just a thought; apologies if I have not followed things correctly, as I have a splitting headache..... I have recently been tying myself in knots with a family who called themselves Altenacker or Burchell; I am pretty sure they were Jewish, as they had children with names like Judah and Israel. It was only on one census that George Burchell called himself Isaac Altenacker, and every other detail was spot on. I have been looking into Jewish names and what I have found has stated that members of the Jewish community sometimes used different names in different contexts; could this be the case here, with the marriage? For what it's worth, I have also had ancestors who have changed their profession on every census (and a certificate), such as beer seller/gas fitter/plumber/toy dealer in twenty years..... Lysianne

Thanks for that. Maybe he changed his occupation. Don't suppose you have to have that same job. Will this help with tracking right birth certs. How will I know if I have the right one if I don't know the father's name? Am I being slow!!!!!!!!!

OK, so now we have 1901 for reference: which shows the one I got for the 1891 is the right family but his year of birth has been mistranscribed possibly. His job is actually greengrocers assistant. Esther Levey abt 1894 Dalston, London, England Daughter Hackney London Harriett Levey abt 1882 Southwark, London, England Daughter Hackney London Horace Levey abt 1889 Southwark, London, England Son Hackney London Isaac Levey abt 1860 London City Head Hackney London Leah Levey abt 1862 Chelsea, London, England Wife Hackney London Lewis Levey abt 1882 Southwark, London, England Son Hackney London Matilda Levey abt 1899 Dalston, London, England Daughter Hackney London

Forgot one important detail. Just realised that on the 1901 census they have spelt Levy as LEVEY. Birth cert. that I have for Harriett it is Levy!!!!!! This cert. is a copy of the original so out of all the info I have- which is not a lot- that is true!!

That one is worth a shot- thank you. I'm sorry but I can't copy and paste the info cos I had it sent to me via a cousin and my copy only has names and ages. The occupation has been cut off. I do know that it was obtained from ancestry if that's any help!

Deborah, can you copy and paste the 1901 info - we really need to know more, like where each of them were born etc. There are just too many permutations otherwise - although this is the only Horace I could find right name, place and age. That lot above certainly do fit and the boy Horace was born in right place to fit in with the other child you mentioned in Southwark. Ill check back in later.

??????? very long shot..... View Record Simmey Levi 1887 Jan-Feb-Mar London City London, Middlesex View Record Leah Lewis 1887 Jan-Feb-Mar London City London, Middlesex Name: Simmey Levi Year of Registration: 1887 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: London City County: London, Middlesex Volume: 1c Page: 86

Yeah see what you mean. Looking closer again maybe not. I could have the wrong 1901 entry. I have only assumed that it was right because the parents names matched and Harrietts age was roughly right too. However it definately has fruiterer under occupation!!!!

Tha does sound like them- thank you. I had wanted the marriage cert. to get father's name for birth certs. Do you think I could find them with just this info. now having a birth place?

1891; Using Horace as an unlikely name to have too many around: BUT Isaac is shown as a carman Something not adding up here. Horace Douglas Levy abt 1889 Boro, London, England Son Hackney London Isaac Levy abt 1866 Hownsditch, London, England Head Hackney London Leah Levy abt 1863 Chelsea, London, England Wife Hackney London Leah M Levy abt 1890 Kingsland, London, England Daughter Hackney London Lewis H Levy abt 1885 Kingsland, London, England Son Hackney London

Seems like it. I just didn't think that there would be 2 couples with the same names but I suppose they are both fairly common!!!!!!

Isaac Levy is a tricky one as is like john smith or david jones

1901 details are as follows; Issac- head 41 Leah- wife 39 Harriett- daughter 19 Lewis- son 17 Horace- son 12 Esther- daughter 7 Mathilda- daughter 2

Don't know yet for 1881. Have not long started this branch. All I do know is that Harriett, who is my great grandmother was born on the 1st August 1883 and her mother was Leah Lewis and father Issac Levy. Was astounded to find out this marriage cert. was wrong as they were the only Isaac and Leah who I could find anywhere.