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Can any-one help me? I have Mary Elizabeth Mansfield who married Michael Harris in July 1846 in Alvaston. She laster married William Johnson in 1859 after being widowed. She gave birth to George William Johnson in Derby on 27/2/1860. On checking the 1861 census William is registered as a boarder in Salford (but still married) and George is a visitor at a different address. I can't find Mary. I know its possible that she may be in hospital or asylum but I don't know where to look. Later in 1881 William has remarried to a lady called Caroline. Can anyone give me any advise on how I can find out what happend to Mary. Thanks

is George visiting anyone significant? how old would mary be and where was she born she'd show up in an asylum/hospital although age./birthplace might be a bit out

Have you found William and/or George in 1871? Is William a widower or still married?

I have their names, but don't know who they are.

Hi Helen In 1871 William is a boarder in Denton and George is a lodger in Gorton

Is this William in 1861 Pendleton Lancashire George Dailey abt 1832 Sheffield, Yorkshire,Head Mary Dailey abt 1837 Pendleton, Lancashire, Wife Hannah Dailey abt 1860 Pendleton, Lancashire,Daughter Walter Dailey abt 1842 Sheffield, Yorkshire,Visitor Grace Boyces abt 1851 Salford, Lancashire, Servant John Ingham abt 1836 Rochdale, Lancashire, Boarder >>>William Johnson abt 1838 Derby, Boarder

According to her marriage cert to William she was born in 1835 but we think she lied about her age as it would have made her only 11 when she married Michael Harris

1861 this is George Ann Howarth abt 1837 L'hire, Bolton Wife Salford Lancashire Thomas Howarth abt 1837 L'hire, Bolton Head Salford Lancashire > George Johnson abt 1860 Derby, Derbyshire, England Visitor Salford Lancashire Samual Morris abt 1842 L'hire, Radcliffe Visitor Salford Lancashire

Hi Helen Yes thats him. I don't know who the other people are though

Yes thats George with Ann and Thomas Howarth

William, boarder in Denton in 1871 is a widower, so you are looking for a death before then. Is it possible she died in childbirth or shortly after George was born, which would explain why he is 'visiting'. nell

so we perhaps need top establish how old she really is first. what was her fathers name please

where was Mary born ?

Her father was called George Mansfield and it says he was a 'maltser' on her marriage cert. I'm not sure where Mary was originally from but she was in Pemberton Place Nottingham at the time of her marriage

So, we're looking for a death of Mary E Johnson, sometime between 1860 - 1871 ....yes ? Have you got Mary on ANY census ? Would the 1841 Derbyshire or Nottinghamshire help do you think ? Elaine :-) Have you got ANY of the certificate's ?? son's birth ? who registered it ? it would say if Mum is deceased !

I haven't managed to find Mary E Mansfield for definate on any census Yes I think she must have died between 1860 and 1871

Her marriage cert to William Johnson gives her age as 24 yes ??

yes she was 24 and William was 22

So: Mary Harris (formerly Mansfield) married William Johnson aged 24 in 1859. She obviously got married to Harris VERY young .... and I have known this before ... I have a 11 year old marrying as well ! so don't let that put you off. I'll look into Derbyshire & Nottinghamshire '41. Elaine ;-)

Yes that right Elaine and thanks very much