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Nothing on 41 Notts or derbys. This isn't much help I know !... MARY ELIZABETH MANSFIELD Event(s): Christening: 17 AUG 1830 Aston-On-Trent, Derby, England Parents: Father: GEORGE MANSFIELD Family Mother: ALMERIA Messages: Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. Who are the witnesses on the 1859 marriage cert ? any clue's from those ?

The witnesses are Sarah and Thomas Ward

Paula. Have found George Mansfield 35 Almeria 30 Henry 6 Almeria 4 Michael 2 and Robert 2 moths living in Alvaston 1841 ............ living with them is .......... Michael Harris aged 20 Coincidence or blinkin HUGE Red Herring ....! IF Mary E was born 1830 ... then she too would have been 20 ish !

Somebody has previously found these on the 41 census and they thought George Mansfield 35 was Marys brother and not dad. I don't know what to make of it

Ooooooooh Mrs.... MICHAL HARRIS MANSFIELD Male Event(s): Birth: Christening: 30 DEC 1838 Alvaston, Derby, England Death: Burial: Parents: Father: GEORGE MANSFIELD Family Mother: ALMERIA zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz same batch 1. GEORGE CLIFFORD MANSFIELD - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 29 APR 1832 Alvaston, Derby, England 2. HENRY MORTON MANSFIELD - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 04 MAY 1834 Alvaston, Derby, England 3. ROBERT BILEY MANSFIELD - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 16 MAY 1841 Alvaston, Derby, England 4. ALMERIA CATHERINE MANSFIELD - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 29 MAY 1836 Alvaston, Derby, England 5. MICHAL HARRIS MANSFIELD - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 30 DEC 1838 Alvaston, Derby, England

George's age is round down to the nearest 5 ... so in theory he could be 39 years old ....( b 1802 ?) NOT to old to have a daughter Mary in 1830 ... maybe the first Mary died and one born in 1835 took her name ... Almeria (Mother) could have been as old as 34 ... so ( b 1806/7 ..... she too would have been old enough to have children in 1830 - 35. Even if Mary Elizabeth was born in 1835 ... yes, she could have married aged 11 with parents consent. However, none of the above prooves anything ! It may be going around the houses ... but a copy of the marriage cert in 1846 to Michael Harris would help matters. Elaine ;-)

Thanks for all the help. I have ordered her marriage cert to Michael Harris, so as you say that may give me more

There are a couple of deaths in March qtr 1860 for Mary Johnson in Derbyshire: Johnson Mary Derby 7b 264 Johnson Mary Chesterfield 7b 351 (doubtful). The above is just from FreeBMD. No other qtrs have been transcribed yet for 1860/1. So a look on Ancestry death indexes might show more. Michael's death wouldn't help you. Elaine ;-)

I've found a death index for Mary Elizabeth Johnson age 40 Dec 1870 in Derby and also a birth and death index in Derby 1867 so wasn't sure if she could possibly have has a daughter who died at birth

Have you got her son's birth cert ???? b 1860 ? It should say if Mum is already deceased ... father should have registered birth. Or Mum could have registered birth - if so, what date was the birth actually registered (not his date of birth) - we then know she was still alive on that date. Mum MAY have died some weeks later of Perperial Fever (sp) ... many new mum's did back then ... :-( Elaine ;-)

PAULA ... How stupid am I George Mansfield aged 35 on 1841 is a MALSTER ....... Isn't this her father occupation on the 2nd marriage cert ?????? I will save the image .... if you want it, send me your e.mail addy by pm. Elaine ;-)

His birth was registered on 21/3/1860 and it says mothers name Mary Elizabeth Johnson late Harris formerley Mansfield

here's the first husbands death: Deaths Jun 1847 Harris Michael Shardlow 19 498 Shardlow covers Alvaston district. Elaine ;-)

Have just sent Mansfield image for George & Almeria 41 Elaine ;-)

WHO registered the birth ... Mum or Dad ?

Thanks Elaine I may get his death cert as well

It's possible that the death you found for Mary Elizabeth in 1870 is YOUR's. I think she is more likely to have lied on her marriage cert to William, with him only being 22, she took a few years of her age !!! .... I suspect she was actually 29 ... is there any way you could be mis reading the age ?.... is it smudged/faded... by any small chance ! Also looks as if yes, she did have another daughter who may also have died ...! Elaine :-)

I can't make out the initial of the person who registered his birth, just the name Johnson, but they were the occupier at 5 Poplar Street Derby

No both of their ages are very clear, which I know is unusual

GEORGE MANSFIELD Event(s): Birth: Christening: Death: Burial: Marriages: Spouse: ALMERIA DEACON Family Marriage: 22 MAR 1830 All Saints, Loughborough, Leicester, England Messages: Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. .