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More on Minnie-- Looks like she did marry Herbert Ford 1891 census IN HORNSEY - 3 Malvern Road Herbert W Ford 28 born Shoreditch Commercial Traveller Woolen Trade Minnie Ford 30 born Kingston Gladys L Ford 5 born Bowes Park Stanley E Ford 3 born Bowes Park Dorothy M Ford 8 months born Hornsey (Bowes Park is about 2 miles from Hornsey) Death? December 1895 Ford Minnie 35 Edmonton 3a 150 Can't spot rest of them in 1901. This is Herbert in 1881 View Record Anny B. Ford abt 1864 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Daughter 6 Hornsey Park Road, Hornsey, Middlesex, England ++ View Record Herbert Walter Ford abt 1863 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Son 6 Hornsey Park Road, Hornsey, Middlesex, England View Record Jane Elizth. Ford abt 1832 St Luke, Middlesex, England Widow (Head) 6 Hornsey Park Road, Hornsey, Middlesex, England View Record Joseph James Ford abt 1856 Stoke Newington, Middlesex, England Son 6 Hornsey Park Road, Hornsey, Middlesex, England View Record Henry Percy Oborne abt 1853 Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England Nephew 6 Hornsey Park Road, Hornsey, Middlesex, England Jim

I've looked on 1837 at marriages for 1881 and 1882.......no Minnie Elms. Reg

George in 1851 Catherine J M Elms abt 1831 Middlesex, England Daughter Lincolns Inn Middlesex View Record Clara Elizabeth Elms abt 1845 Middlesex, England Daughter Lincolns Inn Middlesex View Record George Henry Elms abt 1838 Middlesex, England Son Lincolns Inn Middlesex View Record John William Elms abt 1807 Head Lincolns Inn Middlesex Reg

I have checked 1837online.......two Richard Bradleys married in JAS 1885......neither in Edmonton district. Reg

have to turn the light off and go to sleep! Thanks again

Could be, especially since I can't find birth for Charles b c 1882 and Minnie Ethel Florence b Apr 1883 - looks like a late marriage!! Beginning to wonder if this family didn't believe in filling out forms! Peter Peter

this could be a possible marriage for Minnie - only 1 mans name transcribed so her husband could be the untranscribed one ! Elms, Minnie 1885 September Marriages Edmonton Essex Hertfordshire Middlesex FORD, Herbert Walter 1885 September Marriages Edmonton Essex Hertfordshire Middlesex HYLES, Alice Martha 1885 September Marriages Edmonton Essex Hertfordshire Middlesex Name: Elms, Minnie Record Type: Marriages Quarter: September Year: 1885 District: Edmonton County: Essex Hertfordshire Middlesex Volume: 3a Page: 361 (click

Thanks - that fits Unfortunately can't find a marriage for George/Louisa and I can't find a marriage for Minnie, although I know she married Richard Bradley . She died Chelsea 1899 All helps though!! Peter

Could be death of George England and Wales, Civil Registration Index: 1837-1983 Record about George Henry ELMS Name: ELMS, George Henry Record Type: Deaths Age at death: 42 Quarter: September Year: 1879 District: Edmonton County: Essex Hertfordshire Middlesex Volume: 3a Page: 101 (click to see others on page) Jim

1871 Florence Elms abt 1864 Kentish Town, Middlesex, England Daughter Woodford Essex George H Elms abt 1838 Bloomsbury, Middlesex, England Head Woodford Essex Louisa S Elms abt 1836 Bloomsbury, Middlesex, England Wife Woodford Essex Louise Elms abt 1862 Kentish Town, Middlesex, England Daughter Woodford Essex Minnie Elms abt 1861 Kingston, Surrey, England Daughter Woodford Essex Mary Varney abt 1834 Haddenham, Buckinghamshire, England Servant Woodford Essex 1861 George H Elms abt 1838 Lincoln's Inn, Middlesex, England Head Kingston Surrey Louisa S Elms abt 1835 Bloomsbury, Middlesex, England Wife Kingston Surrey Minnie Elms abt 1860 Kingston, Surrey, England Daughter Kingston Surrey Charlotte S Palmer abt 1844 Kingston, Surrey, England Servant Kingston Surrey

In 1881, in Hornsey I have' Louise Elms (widow, 45) Minnie Elms(20) Louise Elms(19) Florence Elms (17) Henry Elms(7) Could someone find a husband in either 71 or 61 so I can go looking for a marriage, please Thanks Peter