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Can't find anything Grrr not a sausage! Never mind these things are sent to try us. Thanks for looking in on my thread - if I find anything you will hear me scream. take care Linda

Linda - got to get off the computer just now, but I keep forgetting to ask - are we to assume that Peter (senior) died between his marriage to Georgina and her subsequent marriage, or is it possible that she remarried while he was still alive? Have you searched for his death between the two dates? Found anything? Kate.

Sorry late reply - had a few too many drams :) I have a feeling that the conclusion of this part of my tree will be one of those that hit you between the eyes when you least expect it - and if it does you will hear an almighty yelp. Thank you to everyone that took the time to have a look and give their conclusion and advise - greatly appreciated. ttfn take care Linda

Hi Lin I have to say at the outset, that its a pretty tenuous link that we're following, just assuming that because his name is Campbell, he might be Scottish! That said, I have looked on Freecen's 1841 census of Scotland. Bear in mind that it is by no means complete as yet. There are 30 Peter Campbells age 2-6 in 1841. None of them have a father who is a policeman of any rank. Dad could always have joined the police later however. they did not tend to join as youngsters back then. There are only 3 (in the counties already transcribed) who have a father Archibald. Take your pick: Piece: SCT1841/510 Place: Dunoon & Kilmun-Argyllshire Enumeration District: 4 Civil Parish: Dunoon & Kilmun Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: - Folio: 4 Page: 3 Address: Dalilongard ________________________________________ Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks CAMPBELL Archibald M 40 Ag. Lab. Argyllshire CAMPBELL Christina F 30 Argyllshire CAMPBELL Janet F 9 Argyllshire CAMPBELL Christina F 7 Argyllshire CAMPBELL Peter M 5 Argyllshire CAMPBELL Catherine F 3 Argyllshire CAMPBELL Anne F 8m Argyllshire Piece: SCT1841/513 Place: Inverary-Argyllshire Enumeration District: 1 Civil Parish: Inveraray & Glenaray Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Folio: 1 Page: 20 Address: Kenmore ________________________________________ Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks CAMPBELL Archd. M 44 Agriculture Labourer Argyllshire CAMPBELL Mary F 36 Argyllshire CAMPBELL Lilly F 12 Argyllshire CAMPBELL Niven M 10 Argyllshire CAMPBELL Elizth. F 8 Argyllshire CAMPBELL Duncan M 6 Argyllshire CAMPBELL James M 4 Argyllshire Page: 1/21 CAMPBELL Sarah F 4 Argyllshire CAMPBELL Peter M 1 Argyllshire MCVICAR Elspa F 45 Female Servant Argyllshire Piece: SCT1841/558 Place: Rothesay & Nth Bute-Bute Enumeration District: 8 Civil Parish: Rothesay Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: - Folio: 8 Page: 10 Address: Mill Street ________________________________________ Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks CAMPBELL Archd M 40 Flesher Outside Census County (1841) Page: 8/11 CAMPBELL Jane F 35 Outside Census County (1841) CAMPBELL Jas M 15 Outside Census County (1841) CAMPBELL Archd M 13 Cotton Factory Outside Census County (1841) CAMPBELL John M 7 Outside Census County (1841) CAMPBELL Andrew M 4 Bute CAMPBELL Peter M 1 Bute I would say that although Kate is right about the potential Irish connection, the McGregor bit does strengthen the case for a possible Scot. Best Regards Ellen.

I hate to say this, but quite a lot of the Peter Campbells on the 1861 England census were born in Ireland, and a few of the Archibald Campbells too! Kate.

Yes please!.... I can only think that that middle name 'McGregor' is some sort of clue to Peter senior's side of the family, as it doesn't appear to come from Georgiana's? But I can't find a Peter Campbell with father Archibald and mother a McGregor on FamilySearch. There are a few Archibald Campbells who married McGregors on there, but none seem to have had a son Peter. There are 7 pages of Archibald Campbell wills from 1840 to 1901 on Scotland's People, but none says he was a policeman. Can't think of anything else for now. Kate.

This calls for a few Drams me thinks Lin

But now I come to think of it, Peter (senior) will have been born before the start of civil registration in Scotland, won't he? If he was born in Scotland, that is. So he won't have a birth certificate giving his father's occupation anyway. And if he was in England in 1861, and the earliest census currently available on Scotland's People is 1861, I don't think Scotland's People is going to be that much help. Hmmm... have to think about this one a bit. Kate.

The surname Campbell as Peters father was Archibald so we are presuming Scotland although not 100% Lin

Lin Maybe I'm being thick - but where does Scotland come into all of this? Regards Ellen.

Hi Kate No no help - witness were George & Maria Chantler on all of Georgiana's marriage Grrrrrr and yes Peter full age. Lin

... and I thought my family was complicated!! I don't suppose the names of the witnesses at Peter and Georgiana's wedding are any help with Peter's side of the family? And did you say what his age was on the marriage certificate (don't tell me - full age?) Kate.

Georgiana sometimes changed her name - a bit of a peacock First Georgiana married a John Chantler son of George. George Chantler married 2nd time Maria Hall Georgiana's mother (Georgiana baseborn) so Georgiana married her stepfathers son. Georgiana was known as Maria Hall Letchford on marriage cert. On George and Maria's marriage in 1864 Georgiana is witness (Maria Georgiana Campbell) In 1868 Georgiana married a John Hill as Georgiana Maria Campbell. I bet you're pleased you asked :) Lin

Lin this family is very complicated. On the 1881 census where Richard Chanter is 19 and Georgiana Hill is the head, at the bottom there is Maria Chanter, mother aged 63. I have found Maria on the 1871 and Richard is there but no Georgiana if you havn't seen this image here is the ref no: Source information: RG10/242 Registration district: Pancras Sub-registration district: Kentish Town ED, institution, or vessel: 24 Folio: 75 Page: 40 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 218 GSU Number: 824908 I am still confused. Georgina.

Hello Georgina In 1881 Richard Chantler (Spelt Chanter) is living with his brother John Chantler and his mother Georgiana Hill - she remarried 1868 So trying to find Peter would mean 1851/61 census which would be before he married Georgiana in 1864 Lin

No, of course not, Lin! I'm sorry if you got that impression. But now I see you have added some more information, I'll have another try later. Have to go and get my daughter from school - in the snow - now. Kate.

Lin have you found Richard Chantler on the 1881 census? If you have could you post the details as a reference it might help with the search. Georgina.

1) Peter married Georgiana Chantler 1864 St Pancras - his father Archibald Police Inspector. 2) Peter's address at time of marriage 11 St Georges Terrace, London? 3) Have not been able to find Peter in the 1851/61/71/81 census 4) They had a son born before marriage 1861 Kentish town - Peter Mcgregor Campbell . 5) By 1881 Peter McGregor Campbell's name was changed to Richard Chantler. 6) On Richards marriage cert it states father Peter Campbell. Thats it Lin

Are you having a dig at me Kate? - you sound a bit off or about to blow my head off Lin

The reason I was asking if that was Georgiana was because if you confirm it was (or wasn't) it might help us find her - and either or both Peter - on later censuses. As it is, I still don't know if I found the right one so there is no point looking further unless you confirm it! Also, if you give us Peter senior's occupation and his age and both their addresses from the marriage certificate, it might help to find them in 1861 or 1871. Kate.