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Linda, I've found Matilda's death on 1837 JAS 1861 Bethnal Green 1c/181 Matilda Emily Atkin Kent. I've saved the image,in case you would like to have it for your records. Rosemary

Linda Just wanted to say I hope all was well with your hubby at the hospital.......... Rosemary

Linda, Have you looked through the '1837 Saved Pages' threads ? ... someone may have Kent (K) or Wilson (W) for the years you need to search. I will find both appropriate threads for you and nudge them to the top of the board. You can then message direct to anyone who MAY be able to help you search. Dancer x

One possibility ... amongst quite a few ... THOMAS KENT Male Family Event(s): Birth: Christening: Death: Burial: Marriages: Spouse: ANN GADSBY Family Marriage: 04 APR 1836 Saint Alkmund, Derby, Derby, England Messages: Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date

Lol !!! Births Dec 1860 KENT Matilda Emily Atkin Bethnal Green 1c 260 Must have died between March 1861 and before Sarah's birth date . Not on FreeBMD .. so 1837online should have her under deaths. She MUST have died and then Sarah was born and as you say ... given her name in memory ! Dancer x

Rosemary, That's Brilliant, Ann who? (only joking !!! at the moment it doesn't matter) My Husband just walked in thinks I'm a raving loony, But then we have to go for a hospital appointment for him and he's more concerned with that, he is making tea though!

Rosemary & all Please have a drink, I just wish I could buy you one!!! Yes will have to get that cert. I think the best possibility initially is that a Matilda died and then Sarah was given Matilda as a second name to remember her. Atkin was a second name it was Arthur Atkin Kent, Lewis William Atkin Kent. Matilda (Eliza?) Atkin Kent it just shouldn't have been Thomas Atkins so it must have been a Es mistake, but will forgive him 'cos he got the rest right.

Linda.............from the IGI THOMAS KENT Male Event(s): Birth: Christening: 01 APR 1832 Cubley, Derby, England Parents: Father: THOMAS KENT Family Mother: ANN Now just calm down!!!!!!!!! lol Rosemary

Maybe Sarah WAS born before 1861 census ... but registered later !!! send for the cert for Sarah Matilda Atkins Kent above and find out WHEN she was actually born !! Dancer x

Definitely OK to have a drink........as long as I can have one as well! Rosemary

Births Sep 1862 KENT Sarah Matilda Atkin Bethnal Gn 1c 240 Maybe the first Sarah died ? I'll check.

To all, Calmed down and read rest of replies seems possible that perhaps at some point there might have been 2 daughters that may have become confused! (often names were repeated wern't they) Great idea to get the last daughters birth cert though just too confirm thomas being alive or not. Is Noon ok for a drink now?

So Dad Thomas died 1862 onwards but before March 1871 ........... I'm searching ! Dancer x Nothing on FreeBMD that matches :-(

As Sarah's age in 1871 is 8, and her birth was Bethnal Green, she is not the same child as Matilda, even if they are the right family. As Sarah's birth was Bethnal Green,and the 'Atkins' family were there in 1861, it certainly makes more likely the chance of an enumerator's transcription error, but only the certs will confirm either way, I fear. Rosemary

Rosemary, I Think you've done it!!! Where did you find it! Definatley correct as Atkins is the bit That Confirms it, that comes from Eliza's side! Sarah's second name was Matilda so it has just been reversed. I am so pleased you are a star, at least I now have a lead on Thomas that just wasn't there before, although I had considered he might come from elsewhere in the country but where to start!!!! All this and spaces too!!! Blast it's too early for a drink. Just going to run round the Garden shouting instead, might even manage to drown out next doors Builders Bl***y radio. Thankyou, Thankyou. Thankyou Ps. It was my Birthday yesterday I Had a Dreadful day (work etc.) think I'll change to the 15th that will confuse them all in a hundred years!!!

Dancer This is 1871.................. Lewis Kent abt 1859 Enfield Grandson Bethnal Green London Sarah Kent abt 1863 Bethnal Green Granddaughter Bethnal Green London Douglas Wilson abt 1855 Whitechapel Son Bethnal Green London George L Wilson abt 1846 Whitechapel Son Bethnal Green London Sarah Wilson abt 1811 Shoreditch Head Bethnal Green London Rosemary

Hi Rosemary x I did find that entry but Matilda threw me !! Maybe Sarah is a chosen preference to the name Matilda ? ? What do you think Linda ? Dancer x

Linda, You say you have Sarah living with Grandma on the 1871 census ... ''where does it say Sarah was born ' ???? IF dad Thomas is deceased when Sarah was registered, her birth cert will say so, it will give Dad's name and then say 'deceased' ... which will narrow down a date of death for Dad. Dancer x

You may think I'm going loopy..........but, I put Lewis, b. Enfield in 1861 search........found this lot. Are the names and ages JUST coincidence? Or did the enumerator misread his notes when transferring the records to the official census sheet? I'd be interested to know what you think........... Arthur Atkins abt 1857 Enfield, Middlesex, England Son Bethnal Green Middlesex Eliza Atkins abt 1836 S Geo East, Middlesex, England Wife Bethnal Green Middlesex Lewis W Atkins abt 1859 Enfield, Middlesex, England Son Bethnal Green Middlesex Matilda E Atkins abt 1860 Bethnal Gr, Middlesex, England Daughter Bethnal Green Middlesex Thomas Atkins abt 1832 Cubley, Derbyshire, England Head Bethnal Green Middlesex I realise the daughter's name is different..................however, looking at 1871, Sarah's birth is listed as 1863 Rosemary Hi Dancer x Hi Jess x

No haven't a cert for her second marriage (this has been researched by the other researcher though) and I'm pretty sure it would have been Eliza Kent, as her children from the 2nd marriage all had Kent as a second name (sweet eh!). Hadn't considered they might have married later as Lewis birth cert in 1858 shows Eliza nee Wilson. Possible that Thomas died before last child was born though, makes it even sadder.