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Eliza's second marriage in 1873 ..have you got the marriage cert ? If so, does it give her name as Eliza Kent nee Wilson ... or did she marry as Eliza Wilson. Bear in mind that they may NOT have married before the children were born ... if at all. They could have married in 1860 when the second child was born ... Dancer x Linda, With you not being able to find them on 1861 census, suggests to me the possibility that Thomas (father) MAY have recently died ... and so the Census went uncompleted. a possibility that I have found works for me time and time again ! ...

Sorry, Linda..........finger trouble; I should have typed 1855 for the marriage date......... Rosemary

Linda, All REPLIES come out neatly ...its just the initial posting that is cramped up. You will notice that some people put a thread up and add ...see below ... then put the bulk of the message as a reply to their own thread. Dancer x

Whoops, yes 1857 for Arthur 1837 was Eliza. just going to rinse the blush away!

Jess, How do you do that? I put loads of gaps in the original message and when it was posted it was all crammed together, bet the same happens with this. I have Lewis's birth cert which confirms his dob. arthur and sarahs have been worked out from census and also a distant relative who is following another line but his crossed Eliza's and he confirmed her age and childrens. Yes have checked marriages for both Kents and Wilsons on 1837 and although plenty of both none appear to match, similar on BMD (often more females than males or vice-versa)

Should that be 1857 for Arthur not 1837 ? Have you checked the IGI for the marriage .... ? Dancer x

You say you have checked 1837 for the marriage entry? I'm guessing that there would be records for both these names in most, if not all, quarters. Have you definitely cross ref'd between the two names for all quarters two or three years each side of the expected marriage date?? Sarah

Now i can read it! and wonder this... Please can you check your records for birth dates of Eliza and the children jess

Too much in too small a space! Please excuse me! Thomas Kent . Who married Eliza Wilson born Middx. They had 3 children Arthur 1837, Lewis. (Nov) 1858. Sarah 1860/1 Eliza was born 1836/7. Both arthur and Lewis were reg. in Edmonton / Enfield. Other info I have is that Lewis and Sarah were with their maternal Grandmother (sarah) in the 1871 census. Eliza was in service and shown as widowed & Arthur was also in Service. Eliza remarried in 1873 What I can't find is: A Birth for Thomas: (he could have been any age when he married Eliza) The marriage between : Thomas & Eliza (most likely around 1855) Any mention of the family on the 1861 census: (The address on Lewis's birth cert. is 25 Enfield Lock.) A Death for Thomas: (must be between 1860 & 1871) So if anyone could find a marriage ref. I would be most grateful as at least I could order the cert. which would hopefully give me a Fathers name for Thomas perhaps even his age. Any info on the rest would be a real bonus. Ever Hopeful

Rosemary. Have tried ancestry, Bmd, LDS, 1837, Genuki and various other minor sites (+ the one not to mention that says 'information now complete- but searches not active yet!!!) I'm sorry but have just re-read my message and cannot see any mention of 1885! Lynn.

Linda Where have you looked? To save going over old ground....... Also, I think you need to alter Arthur's birth year...it's a bit confusing to say 1837, and ask for an 1885 marriage Rosemary

Hi everyone, I am stuck on one ancestor which is driving me insane. Thomas Kent . Who married Eliza Wilson born Middx. They had 3 children Arthur 1857, Lewis. (Nov) 1858. Sarah 1860/1 Eliza was born 1836/7. Both arthur and Lewis were reg. in Edmonton / Enfield. Other info I have is that Lewis and Sarah were with their maternal Grandmother (sarah) in the 1871 census. Eliza was in service and shown as widowed & Arthur was also in Service. Eliza remarried in 1873. What I can't find is: A Birth for Thomas: (he could have been any age when he married Eliza) The marriage between : Thomas & Eliza (most likely around 1855) Any mention of the family on the 1861 census: (The address on Lewis's birth cert. is 25 Enfield Lock.) A Death for Thomas: (must be between 1860 & 1871) So if anyone could find a marriage ref. I would be most grateful as at least I could order the cert. which would hopefully give me a Fathers name for Thomas perhaps even his age. Any info on the rest would be a real bonus. Ever Hopeful Lynn.