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Thank you to all of you for your messages. I think the census returns you have given are the right ones. I was getting in a muddle but now I know about his first wife it does fall into place. Strange that he cant be found in 1841 or 1851 under either name. I have a message for Sheila with regards to the ship records. Do you know how I would be able to see the census returns for ships? Might be tricky as I have no clue as to which ship or where! Thanks again Jodie

1881 poss Name: George Vane Age: 52 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Rhoda Gender: Male Where born: Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Civil Parish: Brighton County/Island: Sussex Country: England Street address: 2 Claremont Row Condition as to marriage: Married Education: Employment status: View Image Occupation: Bricklayer Registration district: Brighton Sub-registration district: St Peter ED, institution, or vessel: 15 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Alfred Vane 13 Ann Vane 4 Edith Vane 6 George Vane 52 Lillian Vane 1 Rhoda Vane 41 Two census now give place of birth as Portsmouth Maureen

Hi Maureen I haven't found him or his father yet on any other censuses but looks like George died in 1888 George Vane Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832 Year of Registration: 1888 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun Age at Death: 56 District: Brighton County: Sussex, East Sussex Volume: 2b Page: 158 (

Diane, That death was well spotted as I had not got around to checking Findmypast. Still can not find him on 1851 or 1841. Maureen

Hi Think Glitter is right with the census she found that lists the children Alice E Vain etc as I found a death on find my past in the September quarter of 1862 in Brighton Sussex for an Alice Elizabeth Vain volume 2b page 105, this registration doesn't appear on Ancestry. Looks like Rhoda was the second wife . Although it would seem that George is named as William in the 1861 census there may have been a mix up as the occupation for George in 1871 and William in 1861 are both labourers. Although Rhoda is listed as mother to Alice, George and Ellen it doesn't mean that she actually is possibly an assumption was made by the census taker as this is happened with my family when I have documentary evidence ie birth certificates to the contrary and the second wife is listed as mother on subsequent censuses

From 1861 Misc ships at sea or abroad are accounted for if the captain/master filled in the census forms and Royal Navy vessels if in port or abroad. Sheila

1861 possible Name: Alice E Vain Age: 3 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858 Relation: Granddaughter Father's Name: William Mother's Name: Alice E Gender: Female Where born: Brighton, Sussex, England Civil Parish: Brighton Town: Brighton County/Island: Sussex Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View Image Registration district: Brighton Sub-registration district: St Peter ED, institution, or vessel: 43 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 59 Household Members: Name Age Albert Marchant 29 Alice Marchant 59 Stephen Marchant 65 Thomas Marchant 21 Alice E Pain 24 William Pain 27 - Vain - son in law, labourer Alice E Vain 3 Ellen Vain 7 Mo grand daughter George Vain 1 grand son Louisa Jane Vain 6 grand daughter Alice 3, George 1 and Ellen 7 months could match to the 1871 census Marriages Jun 1853 (>99%) Gillam William Brighton 2b 278 Harris Jane Brighton 2b 278 Hicks Charlotte Brighton 2b 278 Marchant Alice Elizabeth Brighton 2b 278 VAINE George Brighton 2b 278

Hi I have mariners in my ancestry and if they were at sea at the time of the census being taken they didn't appear as the census is only a count of the people actually in the residence at the time. So you may not find George's father on any or on all of the censuses

Hi Jodie, No luck with Joseph Vain/Vane....Found George on the 1871 no luck so far with the 1861/1851 Regards Vera

Hi Jodie, District Vol Page -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Sep 1863 (99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Botting Ellen Brighton 2b 296 ......Fuller Rhoda Brighton 2b 296 Quinnell James Brighton 2b 296 .....Vain George Brighton 2b 296 Regards Vera

Hi Jodie, Is this Georges family? On the 1871 census. Geo Vane Age: 11 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860 Relation: Son Father's Name: George Mother's Name: Rhoda Gender: Male Where born: Brighton, Sussex, England Civil Parish: Brighton County/Island: Sussex Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View Image Registration district: Brighton Sub-registration district: St Peter ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 107 Household Members: Name Age Alfred Piercey 12 Charles Piercey 16 Elizabeth Piercey 8 Ellen Piercey 4 Minnie Piercey 6 William Piercey 47 Alfred Vane 3 Alice E Vane 14 Caroline Vane 6 Ellen Vane 10 Emily Vane 7 Geo Vane 11 ...........George Vane 48 Harriett Vane 7 months Rhoda Vane 31 George Winser 40 Susan Winser 29 Regards Vera

Hi Jodie, A mariner is a seaman. Where do George and his father come from? Regards Vera

I am looking for a Joseph Vain/Vane who was a mariner. He appeared on his son Georges Marriage certificate and I am unsure how to trace him or even exactly what a 'mariner' was! The marriage cert. is dated 1863, when his son was 31 so I would assume he was born early 1800's. Any help with this is gratefully received Jodie