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WOW ErikaH - that is a lot of extra info that I didn't have regarding Minnie Palmer and her family. Thank you so much for all that. I'll have to write it out and work it into my tree. You're amazing for doing that. The odd thing about all the Conuel family is their connection to Worksop / Elmton / Clowne area - we go most weeks to visit friends who live in Cresswell with Elmton and often drive through Elmton and always through Clowne lol.

I do know that Thomas Conuel (one of gran's younger brothers) was a sort of black sheep of the family and went to live in Keighley with a second family. Some of the more recent family lived there and I still have two cousins there.

Thank you Jane, I had no idea about that website and will certainly begin my research where you suggest

Try using this site. Lincstothepast. It has a lot of baptism, marriage records etc for Lincolnshire.

Once in the site If you type in Gainsborough baptisms and search for the years that covers John's birth. The ones with the picture of a book next to them are the ones you can look at. You want page 3 (found at the bottom of the page) and it is the last one Baptisms and burials 1784-1812.. Once in that book you need to start around image 150 which covers the years 1801-1802.

Jane

Name: Mary Ann Palmer
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Edwin Palmer
Gender: Female
Where born: Bermondsey, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Hackney St John
Ecclesiastical parish: St Phillip
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: West Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Household schedule number: 211
Piece: 323
Folio: 20
Page Number: 33
Household Members:
Name Age
Edwin Palmer 36
Mary Ann Palmer 35
Edwin Palmer 7
Albert E Palmer 6
Maryann Palmer 3
Annie Nash 19

This may be Marian's birth reg.

PALMER, MARIAN LOUISE (MMN) CLEAVER
GRO Reference: 1867 S Quarter in HACKNEY Volume 01B Page 420

And the marriage of her parents - fits with your recollection of her father's first name


Name: Edwin Palmer
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 28 Mar 1858
Marriage Place: Saint Martin In The Fields,Westminster,London,England
Spouse: Mary Ann Cleaver

Deaths Mar 1948 (>99%)
Conuel John W 69 Sheffield 2d 8

Deaths Mar 1954 (>99%)
Conuel Marion L 86 Brighton 5h 89

BURGESS, WINIFRED ALICE (MMN) PALMER
GRO Reference: 1899 M Quarter in WORKSOP Volume 07B Page 52

So, Minnie (Marian) was PALMER at birth - not Pearson

Marriages Dec 1896 (>99%)

BURGESS Arthur Hambledon 2a 280
Palmer Marian Louise Hambledon 2a 280



1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Harlesthorpe, Clown, Clown (Derby), Worksop, Derbyshire, England


Arthur Burgess Head Married Male 29 1872 Cheshire, England Coal Miner Stoneman (Below) Transcription
Marian L Burgess Wife Married Female 33 1868 Dalston, Middlesex, England - Transcription
Dora M Burgess Daughter Single Female 3 1898 Derbyshire, England - Transcription
Winifred A Burgess Daughter Single Female 2 1899 Derbyshire, England - Transcription
Albert P Burgess Son Single Male 0 1901 Derbyshire, England



Inland Revenue Valuation Office Valuation Books
Role Owner
Record set Devon, Plymouth & West Devon Land Tax And Valuation Records 1897-1949
First name(s) Marian Louise
Last name Burgess
Year 1910
County Devon
Country England
Place Plymouth: Devonport
Years 1910
Occupier's first name(s) Sidney Charles
Occupier's last name Burgess
Archive Plymouth & West Devon Record Office

1939

Conuel Household (3 People)
163 Creswell Road , Clowne R.D., Derbyshire, England


John W Conuel 25 Oct 1878 Male Cowman Heavy Worker Married 190 1
Marian L Conuel 13 Jul 1867 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 190 2
John A Burgess 26 Oct 1910 Male Coal Mine Packer Below Ground Heavy Worker Single 190 3


1911

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
76 Gray Street Clown, Clowne, Nottinghamshire, England

Marian L Burgess Head Widow Female 43 1868 Middlesex Dalston - Transcription
Dora M Burgess Daughter - Female 13 1898 Derbyshire Clown - Transcription
Winifred A Burgess Daughter - Female 12 1899 Derbyshire Clown School Transcription
Albert P Burgess Son - Male 10 1901 Derbyshire Clown School Transcription
Sydney Burgess Son - Male 5 1906 Derbyshire Clown School Transcription
Ivy Burgess Daughter - Female 2 1909 Derbyshire Clown - Transcription
John A Burgess Son - Male 0 1911 Derbyshire Clown -

Don't know if you have info about his wife's maiden name, but these are daughters' births which give you that detail

CONNEL, SARAH ANN (MMN)CASSIN
GRO Reference: 1851 M Quarter in EAST RETFORD UNION Volume 15 Page 552
CONUEL, ELIZABETH CASSIN
GRO Reference: 1853 J Quarter in EAST RETFORD UNION Volume 07B Page 5


and their sons
CONNEL, JOHN CASSIN
GRO Reference: 1855 J Quarter in EAST RETFORD UNION Volume 07B Page 8
CONUEL, - CASSON
GRO Reference: 1857 D Quarter in EAST RETFORD UNION Volume 07B Page 6

Just returned to Gr after an enforced (mainly illness) absence after five years - and WOW to re-find this post lol. It's now 11 years since I first posted about this and still no further LOL. Here's an update and any further help / suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

JOHN CONUEL - from his army records (copies from National Archives) he says 1808 Gainsborough, Lincs but other places he says 1806, so I generally search 1800-1810.

We have been to Lincoln a few years ago and spent a long time going through all the records for Gainsborough from about 1800 to 1810. We were surprised to find no reference at all to the name Conuel (nor various spellings of if) :-(

I have now found John and his wife Catherine in all census records from 1851 up to their deaths. Still cannot find their marriage (maybe Dublin where she was from but doesn't seem to appear), tried Devonport where eldest son was born in early 1840's - still no joy.

My usual search places are GR, Family Search, Ancestry for older records. Anyone any suggestions please of where I might look next.

Thanks

Heather

Well good luck on your search, yes a good family mystery, sounds exciting
Bruce

Hi Tracy and Bruce

Thanks for the offer Tracy. I hope we can both get some info from your auntie - or at least find out where we need to go to.

Thanks for the info Bruce, I've tried the web site, but nothing seems relevant. There are actually two people on Ancestry searching re John, one is my sister and the other my cousin's daughter. We have all the census details - but he can't be found in the 1941 census as the Northumberland Fusiliers were in Gibraltar and Ireland around the early 1840's so the 1850 census is the first one with any details of the family. From there we can trace it mostly through to date with odd gaps admittedly eg his grandson John William Conuel (father James) born in 1855 married Minnie Burgess in 1914 and according to the marriage certificate, she had been married previously and her maiden name was Pearson - but other than the marriage we can find no trace of either of them afterwards and nothing of Minnie prior to this wedding!! I seem to think it gave her father as Edwin or Edward. Their homes were John living in Elmton (near Clowne, Derbys) and Minnie in Clowne.

I suppose we might solve these family mysteries one day :-) - maybe we ought to call it family mystery instead of family history as it's a lot of detective work isn't it?

Heather

Hi Heather if you find out please let me know too as My Great Grandfather was born in Gainsborough but in 1828 so a bit later.
I too have suffered from lack of information, although a cousin of mine has visited there and taken some photos and also a CD of businesses that he has bought for me and is sending me (I am in Australia)
Also there is a Gainborough web site that has a look up section (http://www.gainsboroughlincs.co.uk/)

There is a person on Ancestry.com that seems to have a match for John Conuel

There seems to be a match on the 1851 Census
Has

Hope that helps
Bruce
Penrith, NSW, Australia

Hi Heather my name is Tracy Mcclarence and i was born in Gainsborough. I am not sure how to get into the records but funnily enough my Auntie who still lives in Gainsborough has come to visit myself and Family.I am meeting her today sometime and i will see if she can be of any help.I am not promising anything,i also need to get into the records as i have Family from there too. Hopefully this is of some help,Best wishes Tracy.

Hi

Does anyone have access to the Gainsborough Parish Records to help me find out about my great great grandfather's parents? As far as we can make out the correct spelling of the name is CONUEL but with various census and other records, we have at least 12 variations of it, mainly Connel, but also Conewell, Conowell, Conell, Connell - the list goes on and on.

John Conuel was born in Gainsborough about 1806 but that's all I've found about his birth. I have details of his wife and children and I know he was in the 5th Foot Regiment (Northumberland Fusiliers) for 20 years between 1828 and 1848. He then came back to the Retford area and worked in farming, as did his family.

Failing anyone having immediate access, does anyone know where the records will be kept please?

I also have a copy of the will of a William Conuel dated 1800, but there seems to be no mention of wife/children just a George Conuel but no details of who he is.

I also know there are several Conuels mentioned on LDS in Gainsborough/Clarbough, but again, not John and so I cannot get them connected.

Any help on this section would be very much appreciated.

Heather