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26 Sep 2007 20:47 |
I am trying to find my grandfather William Holmes. all i no is he married Elizabeth Lydia Ealand in 1913 Southbank Middlesbrough. and died in 1960 Middlesbrough .how can i find his birth when i do not no where he was born. can any body help. PLEASE
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JaneyCanuck
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26 Sep 2007 21:09 |
You have their marriage certificate?
Name: Elizabeth L Ealand Year of Registration: 1913 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep Spouse's Surname: Holmes District: Middlesbrough (1875-1968) County: Yorkshire - North Riding Volume: 9d Page: 1127
If so, it should state his father's name, and possibly William's and his father's occupation and William's age at marriage.
Do you happen to know how old he was when he died, or what his occupation was?
If do you have any of that info, provide it here -- there's no point in anyone making any attempt to find him, or tell you how to look for him, if we don't know what you know! And if you don't have the marriage certificate, you'd better get it if you hope to have a hope of finding him before that date.
With it, it might be possible to find William in the 1901 census.
Elizabeth Lydia Ealand's birth:
Name: Elizabeth Lydia Ealand Year of Registration: 1885 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Middlesbrough (1875-1968) County: Yorkshire - North Riding Volume: 9d Page: 608
But William Holmes, ah, good luck, eh?!
But that does give you an idea of age -- he wasn't likely to be much younger than her in any event.
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JaneyCanuck
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26 Sep 2007 21:10 |
Cagsie -- Great minds, some of which are more verbose than others. ;)
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26 Sep 2007 21:15 |
If I had to pick one William Holmes to take to a desert island, it might be this one in Middlesborough in 1901 -- edit, oops, that's 1891:
Name: William Holmes Age: 6 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885 Relation: Son Father's Name: Robert Mother's Name: Jessie Gender: Male Where born: Middlesborough, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Linthorpe Ecclesiastical parish: St Pauls Town: Middlesborough County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Middlesbrough Sub-registration district: Middlesbrough ED, institution, or vessel: 55
Joseph Charlton 52 Alexander Holmes 3 Edith Holmes 12 Jessie Holmes 39 - born Scotland John Holmes 14 Robert Holmes 44 - born Durham (as were older kids) - iron worker Robert Holmes 16 Samuel Holmes 10 William Holmes 6 George Levy 5 John Levy 6 Matthew Levy 36 Right age, right place 13 years later; any names look familiar?
The marriage certificate should also give you witness names, and if you're lucky one or two might be siblings of William, and you can then also use those names for checking in censuses.
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Ronald
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27 Sep 2007 16:53 |
Thankyou for posting a replay. I do have a marriage certificate it says William Holmes was 27 furnaceman living at 71 bessimer street grangetown middlesbrough.is father was William Holmes (Deceased ) Engine Driver . married 28 August 1913 St Johns Church Southbank Middlesbrough. Death cetificate say William Holmes was 74 died 25 september 1960 in Middlesbrough Genarel Hospital .I found him on the 1901 census living at 71 bessimer street Grangetown Middlesbrough with Burton Laverick age 14 . says he and burton were born Cottingworth Yorkshire (east cottingwith ) i found burton laverick (Laverack ) living in East Cottingwith Yorkshire 1881 but not my William .All i want is to find William but i keep hitting a wall can you help me thank you .
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JaneyCanuck
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27 Sep 2007 17:37 |
Well, you may have just had a stroke of luck.
In 1891:
Name: William Hawe Age: 8 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883 Relation: Son Father's Name: William <<< Traction Engine Driver Mother's Name: Jane Gender: Male Where born: East Cottingwith, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: East Cottingwith Ecclesiastical parish: Aughton Town: East Cottingwith County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Pocklington Sub-registration district: Pocklington ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household Members: Name Age Florrance A Hawe 10 Jane Hawe 37 Thomas Hawe 12 William Hawe 40 William Hawe 8 Now it does indeed seem to say Hawe, and the age is a little off. But it's about the closest thing I can find!!
Aha. Look who Burton Laverack is living with in 1881:
Name: Burton Laverack Age: 12 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869 Gender: Male Where born: E.Cottingwith, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: East Cottingwith County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address: Cottage Registration district: Pocklington Sub-registration district: Pocklington ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household Members: Name Age Florence Annie Haw Jane Haw 23 Tom Haw 2 William Haw 30 Burton Laverack 12
I think that has to be your people. Something's gone screwy with your William's surname.
Are you absolutely sure it was Holmes and not Hawe, and that it was him who married Elizabeth Lydia Ealand??
Hmm. I think you must be sure of the surname. ;)
But I wonder whether your William wasn't!
Name: William Hawe + Jane Room? Year of Registration: 1878 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Howden (1837-1937) County: Yorkshire - East Riding Volume: 9d Page: 121
Name: William Hawe Year of Registration: 1882 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Pocklington (1837-1937) County: Yorkshire - East Riding Volume: 9d Page: 75
Looks to be brother Thomas's marriage:
Name: Thomas Hawe Year of Registration: 1907 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: Pocklington (1837-1937) County: Yorkshire - East Riding Volume: 9d Page: 169
That's the best I can come up with at the moment!
The only other thing I can think of is that he was born to an unmarried mother and registered in her name, but used his father's surname. Pretty common occurrence.
So have a think on't!
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27 Sep 2007 17:48 |
We have another possibility.
Name: William Laverick Year of Registration: 1889 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Middlesbrough (1875-1968) County: Yorkshire - North Riding Volume: 9d Page: 613
In 1891:
Name: William L Laverick Age: 1 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890 Relation: Grandson Gender: Male Where born: Middlesborough, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Middlesborough Ecclesiastical parish: St Pauls Town: Middlesborough County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Middlesbrough Sub-registration district: Middlesbrough ED, institution, or vessel: 38
Household Members: Name Age Edith J Harrison 23 John G Harrison 27 Margaret Harrison 58 Robert T Harrison 55 Robert T Harrison 30 Edna M Laverick 3 Mary A Laverick 33 - not married William L Laverick 1 Was your William born to Mary Laverick, and was he the son of a William Holmes?
And if so, might this be him in 1891?
Name: William Holmes Age: 23 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868 Relation: Brother Gender: Male Where born: Dalton, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Middlesborough Ecclesiastical parish: St John Town: Middlesborough County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Occupation: Engine Fitter and Turner <<<<<< Condition as to marriage: - single Registration district: Middlesbrough Sub-registration district: Middlesbrough ED, institution, or vessel: 44
Household Members: Name Age Agnes Holmes 21 Robert Holmes 25 William Holmes 23
So ignore the Hawes.
I think we have found the answer.
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27 Sep 2007 17:56 |
... I'm just a bit confused.
Mary Laverick mother of William, in 1891, is daughter of the Harrisons but shown as unmarried.
Is she Burton Laverick's wife?
Hard to say; there's a bride missing from this page:
Name: Burton Laverack Year of Registration: 1891 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Middlesbrough (1875-1968) County: Yorkshire - North Riding Volume: 9d Page: 1031
Was she just calling herself Laverick because of a common-law relationship? Was she a daughter of Mrs Harrison by a previous marriage?
If Burton Laverick was William's father, why would William call himself (or Burton call him, per 1901 census) Holmes?
I have to get some work done ...
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JaneyCanuck
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7 Nov 2007 17:28 |
Ellen -- you should start your own thread with your info. It's likely that nobody will see it here.
Nothing further seems to have been heard from Ronald ...
To make sure that your post appears in the "trying to find Holmes" sub-board, go to your own surnames list and click on Holmes - trying to find, and then write your post.
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