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Hello Helen
Ellen HANDLEY born 1861 and baptised 2 Feb 1862 at West Bridgford. She was the sister of my G,Grandfather Henry HANDLEY born 15 Dec 1845 also at West Bridgford.
I have been given some information on her but not proven. She had a daughter Arabella Oldershaw HANDLEY (I think illegitimate) born 20 Dec 1879 in Nottingham.
Arabella had a daughter Ellen Handley (I think also illegitimate) born 1897 in Chesterfield Derbyshire. On the 1901 census she is shown living with John & Ellen SMITH, as niece but she must be Ellen’s Granddaughter don’t you think.
As a matter of interest the mother of Ellen 1861, Harriett HANDLEY (nee FLINT) was also born illegitimate, this I have proven, from her baptism and marriage records.
Hope this is of some help to you.
Jim
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Good morning, Helen!
I wondered whether Ellen and/or Susan in the 1881 Handley household might really have been daughters-in-law (or -out-law) rather than daughters.
Susan was a Handley born; this is her in 1871:
Name: Susan Handley
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Bridgford, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Basford
Ecclesiastical parish: New Basford
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Registration district: Basford
Sub-registration district: Basford
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 175
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred Biddle 51
Elizabeth Biddle 54
Susan Handley 12
Oh, aargh. Finally found the family in 1871 by searching for Ruth by given name and details alone.
Name: Ruth Hundley
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Harriet
Gender: Female
Where born: West Bridgford, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: West Bridgford
Ecclesiastical parish: Lincoln
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Registration district: Basford
Sub-registration district: Carlton
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Household schedule number: 6
Household Members: Name Age
Alice Hundley 4
Elen Hundley 10
Harriet Hundley 48
John Hundley 47
John Hundley 21
Joseph Hundley 17
Ruth Hundley 6
So yes, all three girls, Ruth, Ellen and Susan, were Handleys.
Just thought I'd add that, in case you're still looking!
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Moving right along now ...
Oh aargh. Minnie was 4 in 1881, not blank as the transcription shows, which I'd interpreted as meaning "under 1". Here she is in 1901:
Name: Minnie Handley
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Edwalton, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: West Bridgford
Ecclesiastical parish: West Bridgford St Giles
Town: West Bridgford
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Registration district: Basford
Sub-registration district: Carlton
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Household schedule number: 182
Household Members: Name Age
Jennie Dean 26
Minnie Handley 25
Sarah Hensen 26
William Hensen 28
Cheeses.
So is this perchance her in 1891?
Name: Minnie A Smith
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Nottinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Radford
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Nottingham
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Registration district: Nottingham
Sub-registration district: Nottingham North West
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Smith 76
Minnie A Smith 15
Perhaps the mothers of each of Ellen's two husbands each got a granddaughter to keep?
So ... anything New 2 U in all that??
No wait!!! AAAARGH.
Name: Minnie Goodhead
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Edwalton, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: West Bridgford
Ecclesiastical parish: St Giles
Town: West Bridgford
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Registration district: Basford
Sub-registration district: Carlton
ED, institution, or vessel: 9a
Household Members: Name Age
Benjm Goodhead 21
Eliza Goodhead 57
Minnie Goodhead 15
It doesn't say MINNIE GOODHEAD, it says MINNIE HANDLEY!!!
Damn Ancestry's eyes.
Now, if you knew all this I'm gonna hit you.
I don't think it's got us much closer to figuring out WHO she was, but at least we know WHERE she was!!
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Hi Helen - got yr message - no, I'm just a nosey parker, but really good at finding people who are hiding in databases, and always desperate for something to do besides working. ;)
My Nottinghamshire forebears hail from Calverton, and are Coopers and Smiths and Fallowells but maybe not Cooper after all, I'm wondering this week ...
Now, you're confusing me.
1. trying to find Ellen Handley born 1862 Nottingham.
2. What i am looking for is info on a granddaughter her name is Minnie.born 1881
So Minnie ain't Ellen's granddaughter. And I can't find this Minnie at all. No Minnie Handleys born around 1881 Nottinghamshire.
So ... okay, finally found the right Ellen Handley, in 1881.
Name: Minnie Handley
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Plumtree, Nottinghamshire, England
Name: Ellen Handley
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Gender: Female
Where born: Bridford West, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: West Bridgford
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Street address: Bridgford West
Occupation: Dom Servant
Registration district: Basford
Sub-registration district: Carlton
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household Members: Name Age
Alice Handley 14
Arabella Handley 1
Ellen Handley 19
John Handley 54
Minnie Handley
Ruth Handley 17
Susan Handley 21
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Well danged if that doesn't look a lot like my 1891 Cooper household in Calverton. My grandmother Alice, a domestic servant, her parents, and her daughter Lilian born 1890, and ditto for one of Alice's sisters.
Our understanding was always that Lilian's middle name, Lewis, was the surname of the family where Alice was in service. Whether the "father" was head of the household or a son, don't know, nor do I know who they might have been. Lilian, Auntie Dud, was annoyingly born just before a census, and so her mum wasn't in service at the time of the census.
Ellen's sister Susan is also a domestic servant, widowed father John an agricultural labourer.
Do you know the story on the other granddaughter? --
Name: Arabella Handley
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Nottinghamshire, England
Did the girls each have a daughter, or did one girl have two daughters -- be that the question?
Not finding births, even with the unusual name Arabella. Could this be her, with the surname mistranscribed somewhere along the way?
Name: Arabella Spencer Hardy
Year of Registration: 1879
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Mansfield
County: Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire
Volume: 7b
Page: 72
Or was she in fact registered with a different surname from her mother's?
Minnie, unfortunately ... a couple of hundred of them registered in Basford in 1880-81, not to exagerate overly.
Is Oldershore a name? Not Oldershaw?
Aha.
1891:
Name: Arabella Oldershaw Hanley
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Nottinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Nottingham
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Registration district: Nottingham
Sub-registration district: Nottingham North East
ED, institution, or vessel: 41
Household Members: Name Age
Liln Calladine 25
Eliza Oldershaw 68
Henry Oldershaw 30 <<<
Samuel Oldershaw 70
Arabella Oldershaw Hanley
Now you see, these are things that you undoubtedly already know -- and they're the things you want to tell when you ask!
So is this her then?
Name: Arabella Oldershaw
Year of Registration: 1880
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Nottingham
County: Nottinghamshire
Volume: 7b
Page: 361
No Minnie Oldershaw registered before the 1881 census, though.
So Arabella was Ellen's daughter. And whose was Minnie?
Oops. Running out of space. Continued ...
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Sorry this is my first time. I have the Handley's in my tree. What i am looking for is info on a granddaughter her name is Minnie.born 1881.trying to find out who she belong's to.
if you want info on the Handley's will be glad to share it.
thank you.
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If you have some info ... share it!!!! It's a drag when one spends time finding info that someone already has, or looking for info that could have been found if one knew what is known!
And give an idea of what it is you're after -- parents' names, for instance?
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Hi am trying to find Ellen Handley born 1862 Nottingham.
she went on to marry john smith then Henry Oldershore.
I do have some info on these but would like to find out alittle more.
Can you help.
Thank you.
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