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ozi,

I was so deligthed when I found them!

BTW ... he was the Benj that Andy mentioned.


sylvia

Fantastic Sylvia.

Thank you to everyone!!


I'm really grateful for all your suggestions,


and Andy was absolutely brilliant, spot on!




sylvia.

Andy

BRILLIANT!!


I've found them!!

I started with Joshua, thinking he might be a little easier.


First image I choose to look at


Living in Oldham Below Town, Bedfor Street.


Benjamin is still alive, a Mechanic and shows he was born ca 1814 (age 37)

Children:-
William, James, Sarah Ann, Samuel, and Joshua


You're wonderful!!!



sylvia

andy,

thanks

I will try that,

I think I did look on there in the earely days, but can't remember what I found.



sylvia

www.familyhistoryonline.net has the unfilmed parts of the Manchester 1851 census.

There is a free search by name which gives a Benj, 3 Benjamin and 1 Benjm Schofield.
It then costs to look at more details for them and then £1 to see a transcription of the whole page.

Might be worth a look.

Andy

Hi Vera,

I'm not sure whether ancestry says the pages are damaged or not, I haven't actually seen a comment like that.


I think I'm coming to the belief that Sarah was widowed, moved with some or all of the children to lodge or board somewhere, and they have been included (either on the census or on the transcript) under the name of the Head of that household.


I do rather like the idea of the alien ship though .................. at least it makes a change from cotton mill worker, ag lab, lace maker, etc, which is what most of my families seem to do! Benjamin, and his sons Samuel and William, are anomalies in that they were Mechanics!


.... and, it accounts for all the other missing rellies that people ask about!


best wishes,
sylvia

Hi Sylvia,
I keep coming back to your thread....trying different combinations.... although I think I have tried them all..... you might have the answer ......they were beamed up !!!!



So frustrating.....unless as someone suggested the pages were destroyed or damaged too much....although if that does happen Ancestry normally says so.....am I right ??

Regards vera

has anyone got any more suggestions?


pleeease!

OR ... are they having a trip on that alien ship?




sylvia

Charles,

I have tried literally everything that I can think of over the last 3 to 4 years!

I found my ggrandfather on a later census as Silufield, and almost always begin by searching for Schof*, then I got to christian name only.

The search for ggggrandfather included finally dropping ALL names and just entering birth year and county, and scrolling through hundreds of results!

Nothing turned up that fits any kind of mistranscription of Schofield. Nada!

I'm wondering whether in fact they may have been "given" another name by the census taker, or whoever reported the names of inhabitants of a house ..... but that means looking at the actual image of literally thousands and thousands of names.

I live in Canada so it is a little difficult for me to get to the UK libraries etc. But the images are available on the internet on ancestry and some other sites, and I do always check the image for everyone I'm looking for.


Thanks for your suggestions.


sylvia

hi sylvia as mentioned before this is probrably a transcription error try a different spelling [drop the o ] if that doesent work [drop the e in field]so you are looking at schfeld and schofeld i had the same problem with a family and found them under a different spelling and of course all the family were the same as a previouse census but ten years older it is allso possible to see the actual census in the county library???

Hi Carrie,

I had a look at that damaged page.

I think Shero is actually ------head, and he is a Police Constable. Don't think mine was ever that!

The surnames on the rest of the page seemed quite clear, and none of them resembled Schofield.



sylvia

Hi ozi,

I've just looked at that William Schofield, at least I think I have found the one you are referring to.

As I read it, there are 2 William Schofields in the household headed by Joseph and Sarah Schofield.

1. William Schofield b ca 1837, is their son

2. William Schofield b. ca 1850 is their grandson, son of parents Thomas and Mary Schofield.


don't think he's mine!


thank you


sylvia

Sorry,


I have to go out for a couple of hours.

Thanks for all your help!!


sylvia

I know!


you can see why I'm going round in circles!!


I think James b. 1839 on the 1841 census died, BUT I only found the birth registration for James born 1849 today on Lancashire bmd .................. James Schofield mmn Ashton, which is the same as Samuel and Joshua.

I cannot find William's birth, so assume it was before September 1837. Nor can I find a James b. ca 1839 mmn Ashton.


Nor can I find a marriage of Schofield/Ashton upto and including 1861.


sylvia

This is scarey! He's a mechanic.

1851:
Name: Benjamin Schofield
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1813
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Glossop, Derbyshire, England

Civil parish: Oldham
Ecclesiastical parish: Waterhead
Town: Waterhead Mill
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: New Bank

Occupation: Mechanick??

Condition as to marriage: mar

Registration district: Oldham
Sub-registration district: Oldham
ED, institution, or vessel: 1y
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 89
Household Members: Name Age
Benjamin Schofield 38
Mary Ann Schofield 36 wife; dressmaker
Mary Lavina Schofield 15
Miles Schofield 8
Mary Alice Schofield 3

Piece 2241, p 25.

But James was b1839 in 1841 census.

Ozi.

Carrie,

I fear you may be right ................ but I'm really hoping not!


I have seen those deaths, but I was hoping to find the 1851 census to see whether Benjamin was still alive! I guess I will have to bite the bullet and send off for both those certificates!


sylvia

ozi,

it's a possible, that I have looked at before

but there has never been any other rference to Sarah being born in Yorkshire, and the James thta apears on censuses after the 1841 was apparently bron in 1849, so he should be 2 in 1851.


sylvia

ozi

NO I hadn't!

and I still can't!!


can you give me the reference please?


sylvia