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Lewella - Thanks for all that research. I knew about the girls and had tracked their marriages and children as far as I could.

I also knew about the Charles W death in Botany, but it doesn't quite add up with dates.

I didn't know about Hephzibah and Brown's marriage and I hadn't got hold of the Tamar arrival - so thanks very much for that.

The marriage throws the cat among the pigeons.

Her mariage details to Charles Snelling I had obtained from two certificates, one the birth certificate of her son Francis (my grandfather) and the corroboration from the death certificate of her son William.

What is the igi that you obtained the marriage details from?

And - are you in this family or an interested and generous researcher?

regards and thanks

Michael

From IGI

HEPHZIBAH PONT
Event(s):

Marriages:
Spouse: THOMAS CARR BROWN
Marriage: 13 MAR 1854 Church Of England, , New South Wales, Australia

Hephzibah's arrival

Surname: PONT
First name: Hephzabah
Age 18
Vessel: Tamar
Year: 1853
Reel: 2136, 2465

Charles's death

Registration No. 8300/1903
SNELLING, CHARLES W
68 YRS
BOTANY

No parents mentioned

Umm, have you seen this marriage registration in NSW BDM. Very strange

Registration No.V1854581 41B/
Date: 1854
Groom: BROWN, THOMAS C
Bride: PONT, HEPHZIBAH
District: MF

Have you traced the children's marriages? Some of the girls appear to have married in Waterloo, Sydney.

Sylvia - thanks for replying. I got the marriage detail from the birth certificte of one of their children, my grandfather.

I have also not been able to find any reference to either of them in England or Australia beyond the registration of the births of six of their children in NSW - no migration records, no death records.

(NSW bdm is excellent - it provides enough free information to remove most uncertainity, then you can buy a certificate; it's fast and easy to navigate. I've told them they should sell the template).

As you note there are several Charles (and William) Snellings around that time and area, but as I'm in Australia it's difficult to go further on the net. I was hoping someone who had a connection to the Snelling part would be able to fill in the missing info.

We have no info on him or Hephzibah, and, indeed, similarly no photos of my grandfather, who died in a horse accident while his children were all under seven years of age.

Thank you so much for replying.

Any thoughts on how to proceed?

regards

Michael

How did you find the year of their marriage?


I've tried to find it on freebmd, and cannot find a marriage for either of them!


You really need the marriage certificate to get the names of the fathers, so that we can link up Charles.


This is part of the problem of not knowing the father from the 1841 Census. There are 3 Charles Snelling born in Middlesex (which inlcudes London), of course there is no Charles William .... that would be too easy!!!


Charles Snelling abt 1834 Middlesex, England Stepney Middlesex father Benjamin (no mother)

Chas Snelling abt 1836 Middlesex, England Stepney Middlesex father Joseph mother Emma

Chas Snelling abt 1832 Middlesex, England St Leonard Shoreditch Middlesex father William mother Amelia


It is very probable that the first is yours, but dates can be as much as 2 years out, so it does not rule out either of the other two, UNLESS we knew the name of his father.



sylvia

Hepzihbah Pont b. 1834 Ely Cambridge m Charles William Snelling b.1834 London, stone fitter, in London in 1854. Sometime between then and 1861 they migrated to Australia, probably Sydney, and had six, possibly seven children.

I'm interested in any information on either. I've tracked Hepzihbah in the census of 1841 and 1851, but I have no other info on William Charles. The info I do have is from death and birth certificates of two of their children.

They also disappear from the New South Wales records, so I don't know whether they moved elsewhere in Australia or possibly returned to England.

They were my G Grandparents.
Thanks