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Yes, I tend to agree with you Ozi. I don't think she was asked or that it occured to her to mention it.

This morning, I ordered the death cert of Thomas junior and also the marriage of his parents. I'll have to wait a while before I order Thomas seniors death cert as I have a limited budget.

I would like to tackle Mary Elizabeth Wright's family because they're a mystery, but I think I'll leave that for another day.

Once again, thanks for all your help. You were brilliant....................as usual !


Deb:)

Deb, just because it doesn't say he is deceased on the marriage cert doesn't necessarily mean he's alive.

I have a cert like that & the father was dead for about 15 years. It just depends whether the question is asked.

Ozi.

Hi Andy,

I did try to research this family early this year but found it too daunting. I can remember someone finding a death ref for Thomas but I didn't order it because after looking at his daughter's marriage cert and seeing that he wasn't deceased, I didn't think it would be him.

When I decided to tackle my Smiths again, I tried to find my old thread to look at the info on it, but couldn't find it so had to start from scratch again...................that'll teach me not to save records to my shoebox.................lol

Thanks for your concern. I will order the death cert now because I'm quite sure it's him, even though his daughter's marriage cert says otherwise.

I'm hoping too, that it will have additional info about informant etc.


Deb:)

Hi Deb
Noticed this thread before and remembered that I had looked for this family in the past. Thought it might be someone else researching the same family so thought if I found it I would be able to pass on the name.
Finally found it from last March but it was you who said that you thought sending for Thomas jnrs death cert was a good idea. Please, please check and make sure that you haven't already sent for it - I would hate you to waste £7.

Andy

Now all I need to do is find the birth ref for son Thomas Smith b Bedworth 1860.


And this looks like it:


Name: Thomas Smith
Year of Registration: 1859
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Foleshill
County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 338






Deb:)

Lol Ozi..........you're too quick for me. That's brilliant. So now I have a checking ref with her father's name Richard.


Deb:)

Beat yer!

1841:
Name: Richard Hult
Age: 45
Estimated birth year: abt 1796
Gender: Male
Where born: Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Chilvers Coton
Hundred: Hemlingford (Atherstone Division)
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address: Griff

Occupation:

Registration district: Nuneaton
Sub-registration district: Nuneaton
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Hult 45 - ag lab
Mary Hult 45 - ribbon weaver
Catharine Hult 20 - ribbon weaver
William Hult 13
John Hult 9
Mary Hult 5


All born in county.

Thanks Jeanie. That's a brilliant idea. As soon as the certs arrive, I'll post info on freebmd.

Ozi, that has to be her in 51. Parents are probably on previous page for 41. I'll have a look.

Deb:)

Here you go again!

1851:
Name: Mary Hatt
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Richd
Mother's name: Mary
Gender: Female
Where born: Griff, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Chilvers Coton
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Registration district: Nuneaton
Sub-registration district: Nuneaton
ED, institution, or vessel: 6e
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 20
Household Members: Name Age
Richd Hatt 52 - ag lab
Mary Hatt 56 - silk weaver
John Hatt 19 - miner
Mary Hatt 15 - silk weaver


Next door.
William Hatt 22 - miner
Sarah Hatt 21 - silk weaver
Mary A Hatt 2

hi deb
just thought you needed encouragement with your smith's . don't be daunted i too have the shame of smith ancestors. my grandmother and her sister (smiths) both married smith's, in yorkshire ahh!!!!
don't forget to add a note to freebmd alongside your smith (once you have got the certificate) i list parents, partner and children as i find them. this way it will eliminate this smith for future searchers.
happy hunting
jeannette (not a smith)

Just found it on google maps. It's in Nuneaton!

I think you've found the right marriage ref...........Yippee!!!!!


Thank you so much Ozi. I've been going round in circles all day. I'm so relieved!


Deb:)

From the census records, Mary was born in Griff, Warwickshire abt 1835. She was pretty consistent with this place.

Where is Griff?


Deb:)

Though she was from Chilvers Coton so it could be this one.

Marriages Jun 1858
...>>>Hutt Mary Nuneaton 6d 406
Laughton John Nuneaton 6d 406
...>>>Smith Thomas Nuneaton 6d 406
Thomas Maria Nuneaton 6d 406

Does this fit with what you know about her?

1851:
Name: Mary Liggins
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1834
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Lopshill, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Coventry Holy Trinity
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Registration district: Coventry
Sub-registration district: Holy Trinity
ED, institution, or vessel: 1r
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 90
Household Members: Name Age
Harriet Heatley 19
Joanes Heatley 9
John Heatley 14
Samuel Heatley 6
Sarah Heatley 45
William Heatley 46 - hand loom ribbon weaver
William Heatley 16
Mary Liggins 17 - silk filler

Another marriage. Which one is mine?


Deb:)

Thanks Ozi. The 1841 looks promising. I haven't seen that one. Must have missed it!


Deb:)

What about this one?

Marriages Sep 1859
...>>>Liggins Mary Ann Foleshill 6d 440
Liggins Mary Ann Solihull 6d 440
...>>>Smith Thomas Foleshill 6d 440
Wright Elizabeth Foleshill 6d 440
Wright John Foleshill 6d 440

Oh no. Just my luck. I think I've found Thomas Herbert Smith's marriage ref and wouldn't you know it. One of the women is missing!

Is there any way of finding out who the missing woman is?


Name: Thomas Smith
Year of Registration: 1857
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Foleshill
County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 456





Deb:)

Deaths Jun 1894
Smith Thomas Herbert 57 Tamworth 6b 228

1841: How about this one?

Name: Thomas Smith
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1837
Gender: Male
Where born: Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Leamington Priors
Hundred: Knightlow (Kenilworth Division)
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Registration district: Warwick
Sub-registration district: Leamington
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Smith 30
Ann Smith 25
Maria Smith 6
Thomas Smith 4
Susan Smith 2