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Just speaking with my nan and the details Kathryn has supplied is correct. John Trotter is Magarets dad so its been good to find what her dad was called. Wonder what happened to the mother for her dad to be living with her and her husband.

Thank you seaham, thats what I will do x

I think that the only way that you can be sure of who you are looking for, is to send for your g.grandmothers marriage certificate which will give the names of her father and Robert Mossman's and also their occupations.
Good luck

Not sure if Margaret and Matthew are the parents as one of the sons is William and I dont have a William.

Thats very true x

Melanie,

There are Trotter's living with them at the time in 1901. The Isabella on the census may have died and another daughter born at a later date (1907 as found by Seaham Lass) named after her. None of the other siblings would have been born at the time of the 1901 census.

There is this death on Ancestry that is a possible:-

Name: Ruby Isabella Williams
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900
Year of Registration: 1901
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 1
District: South Shields
County: Durham, Tyne and Wear
Volume: 10a
Page: 487

Kath. x

Hi Kath

Not sure if thats the family cause the siblings were Isabella
Charlotte
Nellie (helen)
Millie
Mary
Thomas
and their adotped brother stan

They sound right, Charlotte was lottie for short, and millie looks good to

This looks like the family in 1901 with a daughter Isabella:-

Name: Matthew Williams
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: South Shields, Durham, England

Civil Parish: South Shields
Ecclesiastical parish: South Shields St Mark
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street address: 72 Bowman Street

Occupation: Stoker in Steam Ship

Condition as to marriage: Married

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: South Shields
Sub-registration district: South Shields
ED, institution, or vessel: 47
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 214
Household Members: Name Age

Hannah Trotter 21
John Trotter 59
Isabella Williams 1
Margaret Williams 24
Matthew Williams 29
William E Williams 3

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4733; Folio: 69; Page: 34

Kath. x

There are also children born around that time ;
Isabella 1907
Millicent Margaret (could be Millie) 1906
Charlotte W R (could be Lottie) 1905
There maybe others but will get back to you

Yes there is a chance

Well done Seaham Lass. I couldn't find a birth in the next couple of years after Mary for a Nellie, so I would think Helen is probably the one.

The full birth index is:-

Helen B. Williams, mmn Trotter
Dec. qtr. 1913, South Shields, 10a, 1720

Kath. x

Could Nellie have been called Helen (1913) South Shields. Mothers maiden name also Trotter
The only marriage that I can find between Williamson and Trotter is in 1894 at South Shields when Matthew Williams married Margaret Trotter
What do you think?

Sorry to keep asking questions, but do you know if Nellie would have been named Nellie or could it be Ellen (Nellie is often a pet name for Ellen or Helen).

Kath. x

I know Nellie was the next one born after Mary and she was the younest, mary was the second youngest. I would say Nellie would have been within a couple of years, I dont think there was much difference in their age

Do you happen to know which one was born after Mary in 1912 (or do you know what year any of them apart from Mary was born) - it's just that there are so many Williams births that if you don't have an idea of what years they were born it is a lot of trawling through pages and pages of births.

Kath. x

I have just realised, I said in my first post that mary and robert had together, I am so sorry, I meant to say, that all the names above are marys siblings

UPDATE, I have just updated the first post to show the correct information.

no, sorry, Nellie is marys sister but she was the youngest of them all

Hi Kath

I have got there marriage, thats one thing I did manage to find but I was to get Marry's mothers and fathers name.

Hi Melanie,

I was meaning Mary's siblings (brothers and sisters), not her chidren. I think in your original post you said that Nellie was one of Mary and Robert's children.

Kath. x