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Allison,

you're very welcome!!


sylvia

Ok, many thanks, you have both given me lots to think about, and I'm much wiser for it.

Really appreciate it!

Allison

Allison,

The 1841 Census does not list relationships between people.

This is in addition to the rounding up of ages, and the fact that it does not indicate birth place other than "y" for "in county" and "n" for "not in county".


ie, not very informative!!!


It is very likely that Thomas at age 15 or so would be out at work ...... as a farm servant or coal miner or some such, and "living in" or in lodgings.

Many children at that time started work at 10 (many times much younger), and were done with all schooling by the age of 12.


Children as young as 6 could be down the mine.


I honestly think it could be a bit of a lost cause to find him, unless you stumble on another little bit of evidence that could help.



sylvia


Hi Michael ................. definitely is intercontinental, isn't it?

Thanks to you both.

If Mary was a servant in 1841 I suppose her child Thomas 1824 was living either with one of her siblings. I might try and find where he was.
Siblings were Elizabeth Maughan 1800, Ann Maughan 1797 or Thomas 1806. Mary's parents were James Maughan and Margaret (Currey). Margaret died 1809.
Thomas 1806 would be easiest to start with, as girls probably married.
as will need marriage. He would be listed I hope as nephew not son.

Allison

This is a good intercontinental joint effort as I am in the UK. Anyone from Asia or Africa want to join in?

I had identfied the same Mary as Sylvia (above) as the most likely candidate. If right it is unlikely that she ever married.

However if she did marry prior to 1841 her name wont be Maughan and it will be near impossible to identify her from the census alone.

Michael is quite right that there are several Mary Maughans born in Northumberland on the 1841 Census, but there is only ONE who appears not to be a married woman!


Name: Mary Maughan
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806
Gender: Female
Where born: Northumberland, England

Civil Parish: Simonburn
Hundred: Tindale (North West Division)
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Registration district: Hexham
Sub-registration district: Chollerton
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Eliza Burrow 25
Mary Coxon 25
Margt Davison 25
Adam Herdman 30
Mary Maughan 35 Female Servant
Elizabeth Nicholson 20
Margaret Nicholson 25
Elizabeth Philipson 20
Samuel Redpath 30
Mary Robson 25
Jane Rookby 74
Jane Saintjohn 20
John Smith 20


Address:- Nunwick Hall, Simonburn


All those named seemed to be servants.



sylvia

BTW,


The family that Michael found in 1851.


Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Maughan 27
Thomas Maughan 26 Mason
Urseulah Maughan 2


all born Northumberland



sylvia

???William in 1871 Census


Name: William Maughan
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary A
Gender: Male
Where born: Farnley, Durham, England

Civil Parish: Long Benton
Ecclesiastical parish: Longbenton
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Tynemouth
Sub-registration district: Longbenton
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 68
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Maughan 5
John Maughan 2
Mary A Maughan 22
William Maughan 23 Coal Miner


Address:- Long Row, Gosforth Cy (???)



His birth place looks more like Semley or Lemley on the actual image.



sylvia

1881 Census

Name: Thomas Maughan
Age: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Denton Burn, Northumberland, England

Civil Parish: Longbenton
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street address: Gosforth Row
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Coal Miner

Registration district: Tynemouth
Sub-registration district: Longbenton
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age

Dorothea Maughan 17 b.ca 1864, Gosforth Row, Northumberland, Daughter, Ag Lab
Elizabeth Maughan 55 b.ca 1826, Birtley North Side, Durham
Elizabeth Maughan 8 b.ca 1873, Gosforth Row, Daughter
George Maughan 14 b.ca 1867, Gosforth Row, Son, Farm Servant
Mary Maughan 5 months (on image) b.ca 1890, Gosforth Row, Granddaughter
Thomas Maughan 56


Address:- Gosforth Row, Longbenton




at a guess, Mary will be Dorothea's child, but possibly not!

sylvia

Here is the 1861 Census, for reference.



Name: Thomas Maughan
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Denton Burn, Northumberland, England

Civil Parish: Longbenton
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Registration district: Tynemouth
Sub-registration district: Longbenton
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 129
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Maughan 33 b.ca 1828, Chester-le-Street, Durham
James Maughan 6 b.ca 1855, Gosforth, Northumberland, Scholar
Mary Maughan 9 b.ca 1852, Gosforth, Scholar
Thomas Maughan 36 Miner, Coal; Small Grocer
Thomas Maughan 4 b.ca 1857, Gosforth, Scholar
William Maughan 13 b.ca 1848, Semby, Durham, Miner, Coal

Address:- Gosforth Road, Long Benton



sylvia

HI Michael,


Thanks for the reply, I didn't know about the rounding up of age. Interesting.

I will look at children again.I know they definitely had James 1854, Thomas 1857, .Dorothy 1864, George 1867, Elizabeth 1873
Don't have marriage for Thomas and Elizabeth Atkinson.

Seems a big gaps between some of the children.
Some were born in Gosforth.

Allison

Denton Burn is today a suburb of Newcastle. In 1841 it would have been a nearby village.

I cannot find a Mary & Thomas of the right ages living together, but this is not surprising. Both would have had to work and the most likely occupation for Mary would be a domestic servant whilst Thomas could have been an agricultural labourer. He will have been a working man for some years by 1841 (aren't you glad you were born a bit later?)

Looking for them separately is like looking for pins in a haystack. I expect you know that the 1841 census rounded the age of adults down to a multiple of 5 so you can't rely on the age.

The bastardy records will not help you if you live in NZ as they are only in paper form.

I don't want to muddy the water, but are you sure about the children in 1851? The only couple that I could find that matched were:

Name: Thomas Maughan
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Northd

Civil Parish: Elswick
Town: Newcastle Upon Tyne
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub-registration district: Westgate
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 126
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Maughan 27
Thomas Maughan 26
Urseulah Maughan 2

Sorry, no idea apart from Northumberland. Possibly near Newburn. Not that familiar with the areas as I live in New zealand.

Where is the bastardy record?

What abt marriage records for Mary 1802.
Does Thomas maughan not appear in 1841 census?












36+

Thomas was born before birth certificates were introduced. His father might be mentioned in the parish register of his baptism or it may be in the bastardy record.
Do you know whereabouts Denon Burn is?

Thanks for the advice, I will give it a look

Thanks for the look up.

Thomas Maughan in the 1841 census would have been abt 16 years,

In 1851 Thomas was married and already had William 1848 and Mary 1851. His wife was Elizabeth.

Mary Maughan 1802 (his mother)was born in Newburn Northumberland.

I have had information that Thomas' father was John Rea who was married at the time when he was born. Might be on birth cert, unsure.

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Can someone please help me find more information about Thomas Maughan born1824/25 in Denton Burn Northumberland.

His mother was Mary Maughan, born 1802, she didn't marry and he took her name.

I would be interested if she had married by 1841 and whether there were any other children.

Many thanks

Allison