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.........and here's the one for 1901
1901 Scotland Census
about James Foyer
Name: James Foyer
Age: 52
Estimated birth year: abt 1849
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Kirkintilloch, Dumbartonshire
Registration Number: 644/3
Registration district: Dennistoun
Civil Parish: Glasgow Springburn
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 28 Queenshill St
Occupation: Grain Miller
ED: 109
Page: 7 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 40
Line: 21
Roll: CSSCT1901_278
Household Members:
Name Age
Gladys Foyer 18 (born England)
James Foyer 52
James Foyer 23 (born England)
Jane Foyer 14 (born Ayr)
Mary Foyer 56 (born England)
Wilfred Foyer 22 (born England)
John Kirkpatrick 21 (born Glasgow - Machine Iron Borer)
John Kirkpatrick was my great grandad as he married Gladys F Foyer
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Dear Kathryn,
Thanks again for all the info.
Below are a couple of census records for my James Frederick Foyer, his wife Mary (nee Taylor) and their children.
1881 England Census
about Jas.Fk. Foyer
Name: Jas.Fk. Foyer
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1849
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland
Civil Parish: Dewsbury
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address: Back Ridgeway St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Occupation: Corn Miller
Registration district: Dewsbury
Sub-registration district: Dewsbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
David F. Foyer 6
Harry Foyer 7 months
Jas. Foyer 4
Jas.Fk. Foyer 32
Mary Foyer 35
Wilfred Foyer 2
1891 Scotland Census
about James F Foyer
Name: James F Foyer
Age: 41
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Shire, Dumbarton
Registration Number: 606
Registration district: Monkton and Prestwick
Civil Parish: Monkton and Prestwick
County: Ayrshire
Address: New Dyres Cot House
Occupation: Corn Miller
ED: 4
Page: 9 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 54
Line: 17
Roll: CSSCT1891_212
Household Members:
Name Age
David Foyer 16
Gladys F Foyer 8
James Foyer 14
Jane A Foyer 4
James F Foyer 41
Mary Foyer 45
Wilfrid Foyer 12
So as you can see, he is not a figment of my imagination!! - in case you were
wondering!! ............but where on this planet was he in 1871, 1861 and 1851?
Gladys F Foyer is my great nana (the one who died in 1906 when my nana was 4
Thanks again Kathryn
Dianne
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Here's the earliest record I find of that Euphemia (searching for Eup* Foy* born 1811 +/-5, anywhere anytime):
Name: Euphemia Foyer
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1814
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Greenland, Berwickshire, Scotland
Condition as to marriage: Widow
Civil Parish: Little Bolton
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Bolton
Sub-registration district: Little Bolton
Looking at her census page, a possible mistranscription occurs to me: Fryer. No luck with that either though ...
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You've got farther than I did. ;)
I'd be surprised if there weren't some connection, given the occupational similarities. I did look for that other family in the earlier censuses, in both Scotland and England, to no avail.
Found these Foyers and that was all -- but they're in the right place in 1851:
Name: Walter Foyer
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1814
Relationship: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Edinburgh, Midlothian
Parish Number: 685/2
Civil Parish: Edinburgh St Cuthberts
County: Midlothian
Address: 3 Montague St
Occupation: Hatter (master Employing 1 Man)
ED: 47
Page: 3 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 14
Line: 16
Roll: CSSCT1851_183
Henry R Foyer 11
Sarah A Foyer 6
Walter Foyer 37
Walter Foyer Junr 10
Robert Johnston 37
Anne Rankine 32
Janet Wilson 18
On a search in 1851 for John, Edinburgh St Cuthberts Midlothian, wife mary, occupation solicitor, only a Henderson comes up. He may have been deceased by that point.
In 1841, searching all of Scotland for any John who was a solicitor / lawyer, there's nothing in the list that looks like a mistranscription of Foyer. Ditto for Joseph.
But searching for Thomas in that place in 1841, we do find (I hadn't quite yet got around to the Jno thing):
Name: Jno Foyer
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Gender: Male
Where born: Midlothian, Scotland
Civil Parish: Edinburgh St Cuthberts
County: Midlothian
Address: Nicolson Square
Occupation: Hatter
Parish Number: 685/2
Jno Foyer 30
Jno Foyer 3
Mary Foyer 30
Thomas Foyer 1
And I do think that must be the other family in question. It seems that Foyers were commonly hatters.
Five Josephs in Scotland in 1861 who were lawyers / solicitors. None of them look like yours. You know you can search all the Scottish censuses by occupation, right? Because Ancestry can't provide the images, it has transcribed all the info on them. Not well, but there you are; there's a solicitor "in Actreal Mastice" who probably thought he was in active practice, that sort of thing.
So I tried "sawyer" too, as a possible mistranscription of lawyer. No more joy.
But do feel free to take a shot at all the possible permutations and malformations of all the data, yourself!
You say:
"On his death certificate he is called James Frederick Foyers"
There's one possibly interesting person in England:
Name: Euphemia Foyers
Age: 73
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1808
Relation: Pauper
Where born: Scotland
Civil Parish: Withington
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: "Chorlton Union Workhouse" Withington
Condition as to marriage: Widower
Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Didsbury
ED, institution, or vessel: Chorlton Union Workhouse 2
Deaths Mar 1886
Foyers Euphemia 74 Chorlton 8c 490
I wonder whether your James might just possibly have been making up tales about his father's occupation when he married.
Heck, maybe even about his name. He could have pulled it out of the same hat my gr-grfather seems to have found his (Monck) in, sometime in the early 1870s ...
Seriously. My gr-grfather and the sister we'd never heard of were quite definitely born Hill, and decided to be Monck sometime after his 1872 marriage and before her 1875 marriage. Their real father was Francis Hill, and on the sister's 1875 marriage certificate to a rich guy she says he was Francis Monck, gentleman, while on my gr-grfather's 1883 marriage certificate to a bobby's daughter he says he was Francis Monck, cook (as my gr-grfather was).
Read all about it (or at least a small part):
http://genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=976217
I wouldn't discount that possibility out of hand at all.
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I've just discovered through Scotland's People that Thomas Foyer was born in 1840 and Charles Foyer in 1844 in St Cuthberts Edinburgh. Their parents were John and Mary Foyer (don't know Mary's maiden surname)
Sadly, this means that Charles & Thomas weren't my James Foyers siblings as James dad was Joseph Foyer, but I'm hopeful that they still could be related (cousins?) because of the surname Foyer and solicitor connection.
Any more info would be very much appreciated.
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Dear Kathryn,
These are very interesting census records, especially with the solicitor connection. Thank you so much for taking the time to look them up.
I'm not sure where to go from here to find out if this Mary Foyer is my Joseph Foyers wife (widow) and if Charles and Thomas are older siblings to my James Foyer.
Have you any ideas?
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Could these be James' mother and brothers in 1881?
Name: Mary W. Foyer
Age: 72
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1809
Relation: Head
Where born: Fife, Scotland
Civil Parish: St Pancras
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 67 Fortess Road
Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widower)
Registration district: Pancras
Sub-registration district: Kentish Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 49a
Charles Ed.S. Foyer 35 - solicitor
Mary W. Foyer 72
Thomas W. Foyer 40 - surveyor, Inland Revenue
Ann Mortimer O'Brien 45 (servant)
-- all three born in Scotland.
Two of them in 1871:
Name: Mary Foyer
Age: 62
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1809
Relation: Mother
Where born: Fife, Scotland
Civil Parish: Saffron Walden
Ecclesiastical parish: Saffron Walden
Town: Saffron Walden
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Registration district: Saffron Walden
Sub-registration district: Saffron Walden
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 329
Anne A Brien 36
Mary Foyer 62
Thomas W Foyer 30 - civil service, surveyor
Those sons' occupations certainly fit with James's father Joseph Frederick Foyer, solicitor.
Son Charles in 1871:
Name: Charles E S Foyer
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Lodger
Where born: Scotland
Occupation: Solicitor
Civil Parish: St James Clerkenwell
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
County/Island: London
Country: England
The only Scotland-born Foyer in England in 1861 ... barring mistranscriptions at Ancestry ... is:
Name: John Foyer
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822
Relation: 3rd Engineer (Engineer)
Where born: Shaithblane, Stirlingshire, Scotland
Civil Parish: Vessels
Town: Liverpool Dock
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Not getting any farther back than that 1871 possibility for family though ...
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ps,
wondered if he was born in England or elsewhere and the census records were wrong.
I don't know why he got married in Dewsbury Yorkshire. I think his wife, Mary Taylor c1845, was born in Lincolnshire.
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Thanks Minnie, but yes I have and there's nothing listed.
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have you looked at the birth records on 'Scotlands people' site ?
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Hi everyone,
Just trying again to see if anyone recognises the above details and can help in anyway. Many thanks.
Best wishes for the new year.
Dianne
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Trying to find James Foyer c1849 birth record who was a Flour / Corn Miller.
I know his whereabouts from 1881 onwards and his death in Paisley Scotland in 1920. On his death certificate he is called James Frederick Foyers
He married Mary Taylor in 1873 Dewsbury and moved to Ayrshire by 1891 and then to the Glasgow area by 1901
His father was Joseph Frederick Foyer, a Lawyer/Solicitor.
Census records say that James Frederick Foyer was born in Scotland (Kirkintilloch) but I can't find any trace of either him or his father before the 1881 census, except for his marriage in 1873.
Is there anyone out there that can solve the mystery?
Many thanks from Dianne
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