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Hi,

I'm trying very hard to find the ancestors of my Great Grandfather, Edward Yale, but with no success.

According to the 1901 census, Edward was born in c.1856 in Madeley, Shropshire.

He married Hannah Brown (also of Madeley)

The earliest census record I can find for Edward is 1891, and a search on Ancestry.co.uk reveals NO apparent birth certificate records or marriage records.

I'm puzzled by both the lack of these records, and also his ability to avoid 3 consecutive censuses.

Can anyone offer any insight into this, or suggestions as to what to try next?

Thanks,

Phil

could he be Edwin not Edward?

found this on Freebmd

Births Mar 1856 (--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

YALE Edwin Madeley 6a


pm sent

Have you sent for the Marriage cert?

What was his fathers name? Witnesses?

What was his and his fathers occupations?

Geraldine

have sent pm with 1861 census Edwin YULE that also looks like YALE


1861 England Census
about Edwin Yule
Name: Edwin Yule
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Mary A
Gender: Male
Where born: Madeley, Shropshire, England

Civil Parish: Madeley
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
Town: Madeley
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Madeley
Sub-registration district: Madeley
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 420
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Blunt 22
Edwin Yule 5
John H Yule 2
Mary A Yule 29
William Yule 27

I wonder whether this was the couple in 1881. The age is different for Edward but this one disappears in the later census and both are from Dawley beside Madeley

1881

Name: Edward Yale
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Dawley Parish, Shropshire, England

Civil Parish: Openshaw
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: 10 Hope Street
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Labourer Iron Works

Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Ardwick
ED, institution, or vessel: 72
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Jane Cox 10
John Cox 17
Margaret Cox 44
Seline Cox 8
Joseph Scinner 30
Edward Yale 35



1881

Name: Hannah Brown
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Dawley, Shropshire, England

Civil Parish: Withington
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: Ellerslie Mayfield Rd
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Domestic Servant (General)

Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Didsbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 12a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Hannah Brown 21
Harriet E. Fowler 34
Robert Fowler 63
Robert W. Fowler 29

SueS
You were on the same track as me....

John Henry Yale
Year of Registration: 1859
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Madeley
County: Shropshire
Volume: 6a
Page: 606

1871 England Census
about John H Yale
Name: John H Yale
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Stepson ...(original says grandson)
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Madeley, Shropshire, England

Civil Parish: Madeley
Ecclesiastical parish: Madeley
Town: Madeley
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England

Street address: Aqueduct.

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Madeley
Sub-registration district: Madeley
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 49
Household Members: Name Age
Elijah Lowe 27 ...head born: Wombridge
Elizabeth Lowe 32....wife born: Wombridge
Alexander Yale 62.... SON!?? labourer in iron works.born: Wombridge
John H Yale 12 .. born: Madeley
Mary A Yale 19 ...( [Mary A Lowe)?? born: Madeley
Thomas Yale 27 ...son??..born: Wombridge

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 2756; Folio: 66; Page: 9; GSU roll: 835399

1881 England Census
about Edward Gale
Name: Edward Gale
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Hannah
Gender: Male
Where born: Madeley, Shropshire, England

Civil Parish: Pendleton in Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: 7 Middleton St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Coal Miner

Registration district: Salford
Sub-registration district: Pendleton
ED, institution, or vessel: 37
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Silas Brown 19
Edward Gale 25
Hannah Gale 24
John Wm. Gale

Briliant Lindy and the lodger Silas could be Hannah's brother

Wonder if this could be their marriage?

Marriages Dec 1879 (>99%)
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Berry Elizabeth Prestwich 8d 511
Brown Hannah Purslow Prestwich 8d 511
GALE Edward Prestwich 8d 511
KENT Joseph Prestwich 8d 511

Hannah's middle initial is 'P' on the 1891 census.

Presumably their first son's birth

Births Sep 1880 (>99%)
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YALE John William Salford 8d 20

To all who've helped with this, particularly Sue and Geraldine, many, many thanks. Never, ever occurred to me to search for nearly-but-not-quite spellings of the name! That's a lesson learnt for the future!

Many of the records you've found are indeed the ones I need - Edward's wife was Hannah P Brown.

I was trying to trace Edward via a suspected Brother, John, but unfortunately there were 4 John Yales born in Shropshire, to quite separate families, between 1850 and 1860, so I could never be confident which was the right John. Hopefully your efforts will have gone a long way towards tracing Edward and John's parents via a more direct route now.

Thank you all again.

Phil

Thanks Lindy - I'm sure it is. Hannah's middle name was definitely Purslow, and name also given to her granddaughter.

Just in case you missed it...

John Henry Yale
Year of Registration: 1859
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Madeley
County: Shropshire
Volume: 6a
Page: 606


If you want to buy a BMD cert, here
is the link where you can buy it online..

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

(tip)Never pay more than £7
(another tip) for a marriage,you only need
put one partners name when ordering.

Geraldine.

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Found this on the success board...

Star Helpers! Philip 29/11/2007 11:08:21 0
From reading these success stories (and the Trying to Find boards) from time to time, I share my appreciation of all those people on this site who chip in and try to help others find the ancestors and relatives.

It seems divisive to single out any particular individuals, but there were 3 ladies in particular who helped me enormously (and I notice they've also provided lots of help to others too), so I'm going to do precisely that ....

So, take a bow Geraldine, SueS and LindyLou - quite how you all find the time to do the research that you do is beyond me, but I'm grateful, as I'm sure are many others.

I know there are others like you - I apologise for not mentioning the many others equally deserving of thanks, but hey - I can't keep track of everyone :-)

Keep it up everyone - you're doing a fantastic service.

Phil

Takes a curtsie ;-)