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Thanks Reg.
Will follow up that latest lead this next coming week.
Appreciated.
Ron

As explained earlier, registration wasn't compulsory...so if they weren't registered, you can't find records.

The baptisms, which are on the IGI, record the names of the parents.....as given to the vicar at the time.

And that may not be accurate info, but you probably won't be able to prove......or disprove it.

The husband of a married woman is assumed in law to be the father of any child born to his wife during the marriage....unless specific alternative information is given.

Have you accessed the LDS website to view the full baptism info?

www.familysearch.org

Reg

Thanks Claire i can confirm the above two info / links.

My real problem now lies through identifying the real father(s) of Ellen Adelaide and her brother James Henry.

Marr Cert Ellen Dec 1888, father Wm Gittins, - butcher.
Marr Cert James Nov 1879, father Henry Gittines - labourer.

The above listings have a compounding problem by the fact that there mother married as stated James Owen Gittins in June1854, this should be their true father !?
Hence the need to find records of birth.

Ron

The Elizabeth Ann on the 1881 census may be Elizabeth Ann Gittins nee Imeson, you would need a cert to prove this

James Henry Gittines 1879 Oct-Nov-Dec Hunslet Yorkshire - West Riding

Elizabeth Ann Imeson 1879 Oct-Nov-Dec Hunslet Yorkshire - West Riding

Sam Judd 1879 Oct-Nov-Dec Hunslet Yorkshire - West Riding

Ann Alice Trueman 1879 Oct-Nov-Dec Hunslet Yorkshire - West Riding

Emma's second marriage

George Dulstone 1860 Jul-Aug-Sep Shrewsbury (1837-71) Shropshire

>>> Emma Gittins 1860 Jul-Aug-Sep Shrewsbury (1837-71) Shropshire

Eliza Harris 1860 Jul-Aug-Sep Shrewsbury (1837-71) Shropshire

>>>Henry William Owen 1860 Jul-Aug-Sep Shrewsbury (1837-71) Shropshire

All 3 children with Emma

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1861 England Census
about Emma Owen
Name: Emma Owen
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Henry W
Gender: Female
Where born: St Mary, Shropshire, England

Civil Parish: Frankwell St Chad
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
Town: Shrewsbury
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Shrewsbury
Sub-registration district: St Chad
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 114
Household Members: Name Age
Elizth Anne Gittins 3
Helen Adelaide Gittins 5
Jas Henry Gittins 1
Emma Owen 28
Henry W Owen 27

Hi Claire,
Elizabeth Ann was residing with James Henry as wife
in1881 census, being daughter-in-law of Emma Rogers? Not sure of this other detail referencing Liverpoool. The plot thickens ?

It appears that there were 3 children

ELIZABETH ANN GITTINS - International Genealogical Index - British Isles
Gender: Female Christening: 06 APR 1859 Saint Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
2. JAMES HENRY GITTINS - International Genealogical Index - British Isles
Gender: Male Christening: 15 JAN 1860 Saint Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
3. ELLEN ADELAIDE GITTINS - International Genealogical Index - British Isles
Gender: Female Christening: 23 MAR 1856 Saint Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Thanks Claire for your time.
These are new great leads i'd not thought of to follow through.
Appreciated.

Thanks Reggie for that, this is my worst fear after years of trying, though as semi / professional people of their tme, would have hoped for more formal approach in their ways and documentational handling. My luck !!

1871 census

Name: Hellen Gittins
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Stepdaughter
Mother's Name: Emma
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Leeds
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Hunslet
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Registration district: Hunslet
Sub-registration district: Hunslet
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 122
Household Members: Name Age
Hellen Gittins 14
James Hy Gittins 12
Charles Owen 4
Eliza J Owen 2
Emma Owen 36
Emma E Owen 7
Henry W Owen 36
Jemima Owen 4 months

Reg

This may help

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ELLEN ADELAIDE GITTINS Pedigree
Female


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Event(s):
Birth: 14 JAN 1856

Christening: 23 MAR 1856 Saint Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: JAMES OWEN GITTINS Family
Mother: EMMA


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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.


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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

P020943 1854 - 1857 0093887 Film 6903233 Film

P020943 1854 - 1857 0093887 Film NONE

Probably not registered..............

Compulsion to register didn't come in until 1875

You may be able to find baptisms............have you chekced the IGI?

Reg

Hellen (Ellen) Adelaide Gittins (ings)(ens) , 1881 census residing in Hunslet Leeds. Information states that both her and brother James Henry Gittins were born in Liverpool, 1859 and 1861 respectively. (approx years).
Mother Emma Rogers married in 1854 to James Owen Gittins Liverpool.
Exhusted searches failing to find entries in birth registry of that period.