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THANK YOU all for your help,I very much appreciate it Kindest regards Val

ok... well that's all I can do, hope you get lots of info on the certs!

Daniel's wife was Charlotte and wasn't married until 1924 Val

I don't think this is the one as I got his enlistment no. off his medal so I suppose thats right. And I am pretty sure of his birthyear. I am going tomorrow to get certs as only just started on my family as been too busy with OH family Val

Short service - 3 years with the colours - form signed at Oswestry. 14/09/1914

"discharged no longer fit for war service, although fit for civilian employment"22/ 07/1915

I don't think this is your Daniel .. he only served in Britain, and had a wife Frances, living in Oswestry.

except now this one jumped out!!

is this right?

British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920
about Daniel Watkins
Name: Daniel Watkins
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Age at enlistment: 29
Birth Parish: Treharris
Birth County: Glammorgan
Document Year: 1914
Regimental Number: 13851
Number of Images: 6

Married... an Engine driver?

There are 2 Arthur Williams born in Cardiff, but no others born in Wales for that birth year +/- 1 year.

Nothing on Daniel Watkins either.

'Discharge due to surplus Army requirements' is a term still used today, and usually means some kind of wrong doing!!

Pamela THANK YOU so much I always suspected it was somthing like that and that confirms it. !!!
I am surprised there is nothing on Arthur though?
Val

As a saving grace .. his character was given as "good" !

I don't think there's much else to glean from these records.

As for the other 2, there will only be pension discharge records if they survived.

Daniel I know served in Iraq ( Mesopotamia) in those days, and Arthur had suffered a head wound, from shrapnel I think as he always wore a hat to cover it.I met him a few times as a child and thats all I can remember,so would have thought he would have been sent home with a pension for being wounded
Val

Lol ... looks like you'll know the next bit then!!

He appears to have been sent back from France due to being "under age" and discharged due to "disputed age on occupational Index card" !!!

aha.. he was in France for 27/01/1916-18/01/1917, the other time being in "Britain".

On his discharge medical report it says:

Unit 881 Battery 351 Brigade

He was posted for duty on 16/01/1917 in Dublin.
His trade was said to be Coal Miner.
Medical report stamped 09/12/1918 Woolwich.
"discharged as a coal miner"

then it gets a bit more interesting...

Hi Pamela I am sure you have the right one although the birth year is wrong Mother was margaret but cannot confirm address, but his year of birth in my grandmothers address book had been altered and I often wondered why. I think he put his age on to get into the army as they sometimes did. Then inlater years put it right. Val

Here goes... Short Service Enlistment record (for the duration of the war) signed 13/05/1915.
DOB 05/05/1899 (presumably should say 1896?)
Think his trade is "Haulier"
Marital Status : Single
5'6" tall
NOK Margaret Williams, Mother, Aberford.
His first posting began the next day, 14/05/1915 as a Driver. I can't tell where.
Various postings until 1917 on this page, but I can't tell you where.
Transferred to Class W 14/12/1918.
Discharges as surplus to Army requirement, not having suffered impairment since entry into the Army, 14/12/1918.
so I guess W was a "reserve" or something that he could be called up again. Sorry I'm no expert...
more to come..

Hi Reg
Daniel was born in 1887 Tredegar Mon

Thomas and Arthur were born in Merthyr Tydfil Glam in 1899 and 1895
You took me by surprise at your quick reply
Val

Nothing on Ancestry pensions info for Daniel with the number you quote

Reg

about Thomas Williams
Name: Thomas Williams
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896
Age at enlistment: 19
Residence: 51 Bryntaff, Aberfan Merthyr Vale
Document Year: 1915
Regimental Number: 4651
Number of Images: 12

Is this the right Thomas? There are 12 pages of scanned info, I'll read through and summarise if it is the right one.

Nothing on 13763 Arthur Williams...
Nothing on Daniel Watkins..

Reg is right.. searching on their DOB's may reveal something.

What were the dates and places of birth for each of them?

Reg

would it be possible for anyone please to be kind enough to look up the records for the following.

11396 cpl Daniel Watkins Welsh reg
4651 dvr Thomas Williams
13763 L cpl Arthur J.Y. Williams Welsh reg

Thomas and Daniel were my grandfathers and Arthur was Thomas' brother who I know suffered injuries in the war. I have their medals and would love to know where they served, and if possible what happened to Arthur. Thanks in advance Val