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6 Dec 2007 06:33 |
Thanks Rose. I think you may be right. It doesn't look like Griffith and Edward are brothers. Very likely cousins.
I think I'll send of for Griffiths birth cert too, just to find out the connection.
Thanks for your help. You've been terrific!
Deb:)
P.S I wonder who the other witness was? (Elizabeth Jane Owen)
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6 Dec 2007 06:20 |
Griffith in 1891. Ellen's listed as married so perhaps he's her son?
1891 Wales Census about Jane Williams Name: Jane Williams Age: 65 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Aberdaron, Caernarvonshire, Wales Civil Parish: Eglwys Rhos Ecclesiastical parish: Eglwys Rhos Town: Tywyn County/Island: Caernarvonshire Country: Wales Street address: View Image Registration district: Conway Sub-registration district: Creuddyn ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Elizath Williams 4 Ellen Williams 28 Griffith Wm Williams 10 Jane Williams 65
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6 Dec 2007 06:13 |
Could be Griffith was the son of one of Charles' sisters?
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6 Dec 2007 04:19 |
Aha.......................just saw your post above. Doesn't look like their brothers after all!
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6 Dec 2007 04:17 |
Hi Rose,
This is the family that I think is mine from 1901, although this Edward's occupation is a Gate Police????...................can't quite read it.
1901 Wales Census about Edward S Williams Name: Edward S Williams Age in 1901: 20 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881 Relation: Son Father's Name: Charles Mother's Name: Laura Gender: Male Where born: Carnarvon, Conway Civil Parish: Llanrhos Ecclesiastical parish: Eglwys Rhos County/Island: Caernarvonshire Country: Wales Street address: View Image Condition as to marriage: View Image Education: View Image Employment status: View Image Occupation: View Image Registration district: Conway Sub-registration district: Creuddyn ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 304 Household Members: Name Age Charles Williams 48 Edward S Williams 20 Francis Williams 6 Grace Jones Williams 11 Jane Williams 3 John F Williams 2 Laura Williams 46
I still don't know if Edward and Griffith are brothers. They could also be cousins unless I can find them together in 1891.
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6 Dec 2007 04:11 |
1891 Wales Census about Charles Williams Name: Charles Williams Age: 37 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Laura Gender: Male Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Eglwys Rhos Ecclesiastical parish: Eglwys Rhos Town: Tywyn County/Island: Caernarvonshire Country: Wales Street address: View Image Condition as to marriage: View Image Education: View Image Employment status: View Image Occupation: View Image Registration district: Conway Sub-registration district: Creuddyn ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Charles Williams 37 Edwd Saml Williams 10 Grace Jones Williams 1 Laura Williams 35 Rose
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6 Dec 2007 04:04 |
Here's the same family in 1871 with Charles:
1871 Wales Census about Charles Williams Name: Charles Williams Age: 18 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853 Relation: Son Father's Name: Francis Mother's Name: Jane Gender: Male Where born: Llanasa, Flintshire, Wales Civil Parish: Picton Town: Ffynnongroyw County/Island: Flintshire Country: Wales Registration district: Holywell Sub-registration district: Whitford ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 164 Household Members: Name Age Charles Williams 18 Ellen Williams 8 Francis Williams 43 Francis Williams 3 Jane Williams 45 Mary I Williams 14 Samuel Williams 12 Winefred Williams 10 Rose
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6 Dec 2007 03:57 |
Found Griffith in 1881:
1881 Wales Census about Griffith H. Williams Name: Griffith H. Williams Relation: Grandson Gender: Male Where born: Conway, Caernarvonshire, Wales Civil Parish: Eglwys Rhos County/Island: Caernarvonshire Country: Wales Street address: 2 Cil Owen Education: View Image Employment status: View Image Registration district: Conway Sub-registration district: Creuddyn ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Ellen Williams 18 Francis Williams 13 Griffith H. Williams Jane Williams 51 Mary J. Williams 24 Samuel Williams 22 Thos.Francis Williams 2 Rose
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6 Dec 2007 03:05 |
I seem to have lost my g/grandfather in 1881 and 1891.
His name was Edward Samuel Williams, a railway porter and working from his marriage cert, he was born 1880. The marriage took place 27th april 1903 in Eglwys Rhos, Carnarvon. His father's name was Charles, a labourer.
On the cert, the marriage witnesses are Elizabeth Jane Owen and Griffith Hughes Williams. I'm trying to determine from earlier census records if Edward Samuel Williams and Griffith Hughes Williams are twins.
There are two birth records under these names in Dec 1880.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Deb:)
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