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Carol,

When a lady remarries it is customary to use her current name when going into her next marriage. So if she were born Smith, and then married a Jones, if Mr Jones dies and she marries again she would enter that marriage as a Jones not her original name.... and i have to add, mention of her original surname would only come from her father's name in the last column.... and if he was her step dad.... well..

This is what can make finding people harder...!! We love a challenge....

sorry kathryn i sent that messagebefore seeing this this is the family im drawn to with an instinct the james would fit with that marriage of james snowdon miller because there is no death or birth for snowdon just a marriage . also do you think the annie might of used her first husbands name? as either lambert or craig its a mystery i think you are putting me on the track

I was all wet.

The household has a Lambert sister-in-law in it.


Marriages Mar 1877
Lambert Annie Newcastle T. 10b 82
Miller Thomas Newcastle T. 10b 82


No Millers for you! That was a different couple. But I'll leave them there so you know that Ellen is *not* yours.

In the list of marriages on p. 160 in 1880, it looks like David Brown married Hannah; in 1891:

Name: David Brown
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Hannah
Gender: Male
Where born: Berwickshire, Scotland
Civil Parish: Byker
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub-registration district: Byker


So that leaves Snowdon Miller marrying Annie Craig.

If this is Annie Craig in 1871:


Name: Annie Craig
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Joseph
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Female
Where born: Newcastle


then this sure looks like her in 1891:


Name: Annie Miller
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Thomas
Gender: Female
Where born: Newcastle, Northumberland, England

Civil Parish: Ulgham
Ecclesiastical parish: Ulgham St John
Town: Stobswood
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Registration district: Morpeth
Sub-registration district: Bedlington
ED, institution, or vessel: 26

Annie Miller 33
Annie Miller 6/12
Elizabeth Miller 3
Ellen Miller 5 - born in Inkerman
James Miller 7
Joseph Miller 9
Margaret Miller 13
Thomas Miller 36 - coalminer
William Miller 8


and this is that family in 1901, the father deceased:


Name: Ellen Miller
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Annie
Gender: Female
Where born: Towlan, Durham, England

Civil Parish: Longhirst
Ecclesiastical parish: Longhirst St John
Town: Longhirst
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Registration district: Morpeth
Sub-registration district: Bedlington
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Household schedule number: 79

Annie Miller 43
Annie Miller 11
Elizabeth Miller 13
Ellen Miller 15
James Miller 17
Joseph Miller 19
Margaret Miller 27
William Miller 18


The only thing wrong here is that daughter Margaret was born before the Snowdon-Annie marriage.

But there is a James in the family who could be that James Snowdon Miller who married in 1908.

The household in 1881 looks like this:


Alice Lambert 16
Annie Miller 26
Harold Miller 2
John Thomas Miller 3
Margaret Miller
Thomas Miller 26


Might Thomas (Snowdon?) have had a previous marriage, or am I all wet? More likely I'm all wet, I think.

Just my 0.02 loonie!

Get the marriage certificate!

Hi guys - Carol called me out on this one in a "success" post but I hadn't seen it, so I missed out on the fun.

Just re the duplicate listing for the Snowdon Miller marriage at FreeBMD -- one's an error, and they haven't done the "resolution" phase yet where they delete all the wrong transcriptions, so the wrong one is still sitting there with the right one.

I checked the images for both entries at Ancestry, where they tend to be clearer, and the correct page number is definitely 160.

So this is the info you need for ordering the cert, Carol:

Name: Snowdon Miller
Year of Registration: 1880
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Newcastle Upon Tyne
County: Northumberland, Tyne and Wear
Volume: 10b
Page: 160

And like Heather says, that's what you need to do! That will give you his wife's and father's names.

the main person i no is ellen miller

thanks wayne his death would of been in the late 1800s and surname miller i think it could be a thomas miller as there was a james on the census with family i found in longhirst and pegswood is not far from there thank you once again

Carol,

here is a Miller family in Pegswood in 1901..... any relation to yourself?

1901 England Census
about Isabella Miller
Name: Isabella Miller
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Gender: Female
Where born: Pegswood, Northumberland, England

Civil Parish: Ashington
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Sepulchre
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Morpeth
Sub-registration district: Bedlington
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 263
Household Members: Name Age
Isabella M Bell 43
William Bell 4
Benjamin B Miller 2
Isabella Miller 18
John Miller 24
William Miller 52

Snowdon was a popular given name in Morpeth...

Deaths Dec 1914 (>99%)
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Sunter Snowdon 63 Morpeth 10b 613

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Deaths Mar 1915 (>99%)
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Milburn Snowdon 64 Morpeth 10b 717

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Deaths Jun 1915 (>99%)
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Wilson Snowdon 33 Morpeth 10b 584

Get Snowdons marriage cert as above in 1880 and you can work from there. I would have thought a man with that name would very likely choose to use another one for every day.

But get the marriage cert!!

heather ive just been on fbdm and saw that and the funny thing is the family that i found a few months ago had a james in i wrote all i had down but with movin home a month and a half ago i put it somewhere and dont no where that is the family with tom at longhirst morpeth i no he was deceased by 1901 census il just have to try and find em again as it could be thomas snowdon

Possible spouse for James Snowdon Miller. Amy Harbit.

birth James S Miller 1913 dec qt Morpeth gro ref 10b 868 Mother Harbit.

Have you tried freebmd? It may well be that the family could be in scotland at some census dates as they are so near the border.

Have you seen the above marriage for Snowdon?

There is also this marriage which I would consider is very likely his son or relative:

Name: James Snowdon Miller
Year of Registration: 1908
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Morpeth
County: Durham, Northumberland
Volume: 10b
Page: 773


Get the marriage cert for Snowdon - then you can work from that information.

ido you no if there is a death in that name

Carol, Ill let you catch up with the rest of the messages Ive left and check back later

yes you are right pegswood is northumberland

Well, you can order Snowdons marriage certificate using the reference above - you dont need the wifes name to order it from GRO - just the groom will do - for £7.

If you want to have another search - check for one of the brides first names plus Miller on the 1881 census which is free to search on familysearch.org. But its likely with a name like that, he used another one! But you have a lead now - just buy the marriage cert above.

i dont no who he married and there is no death or birth registered for him in that name thats why im hitting dead end

yes she married george edward jackson they were in northumberland but i cant get any futher with her as there is nothing

Well, this looks likely her fathers marriage - there cant be many people with that first name:

Name: Snowdon Miller
Year of Registration: 1880
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Newcastle Upon Tyne
County: Northumberland, Tyne and Wear
Volume: 10b
Page: 103 (


Slight problem on freebmd they seem to have included a Snowdon Miller twice for the quarter:

Marriages Mar 1880 (>99%)
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BREWIS William Blake Newcastle T. 10b 103
Carver Agnes Newcastle T 10b 103
Miller Snowdon Newcastle T 10b 103
Moore John Newcastle T 10b 103
Watson Mary Newcastle T. 10b 103

Marriages Mar 1880 (>99%)
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Brown David Newcastle upon Tyne 10b 160
Craig Annie Newcastle T.. 10b 160
Miller Snowdon Newcastle T. 10b 160
Moultars Hannah Alice Newcastle T. 10b 160
MOULTASS Hannah Alice Newcastle T 10b 160