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10 Dec 2007 11:15 |
I have rather an unusual case that I am in the middle of trying to solve. My great grandfather was so I thought William Houghton born in Whiston Lancashire 1850c. However it appears he was known as William Swift in all the census's up untill 1891 when he changed back to Houghton again.
He had I think in total 9 children.My family were aware of the last 6 from Elizabeth born 1878 in Prescot but not the first 3.
I am trying to find out if they survived. They were according to the 1881 census:- Faith Swift b1873 William Swift b 1874 John Edward Swift b 1876 all born in Prescott. If anyone has time to look these up for me I would be very gratefull
Many thanks
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10 Dec 2007 11:34 |
Hi Gary
The William in question was born 1874c and was still alive and kicking according to 1881 census when he was a scholar aged 7
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10 Dec 2007 11:37 |
Hi Sophie I found that 1881 census but just wondering what happened to the first 3 children as in 1891 census they are all Houghton but the children only start with Elizabeth and Clara. Faith William and John are not on there
They could have been married as faith would have been 18 Elizabeth
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10 Dec 2007 11:46 |
Thankyou West country lass Perhaps the other 2 might be under Houghton?
Does anyone know would there have had to be a document back then making the change of name official?
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10 Dec 2007 11:47 |
A death registration
John Edward Houghton Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876 Year of Registration: 1881 Q2 Age at Death: 5 District: Prescot County: Lancashire Volume: 8b Page: 443
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10 Dec 2007 11:51 |
Hi Gail and Sophie
I think that answers that question
Perhaps William ans John died at the same time.What a disaster for the family. Many thanks for looking
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10 Dec 2007 11:54 |
That death must have been correct then Sophie
Now I need to carry on sorting out their father Willam's parents!!
Thganks again for your help Elizabeth
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10 Dec 2007 12:05 |
Hi Sophie Thank you I have that one that was the year he married. I was able to find that out because on the marriage certificate he was Willam Houghton with no name for the father but one of the witnesses was Robert Naylor who according to that census lived next door.
I am thinking that may be John Swift was not his Dad and that Elizabeth Swift was Houghton before she married.
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10 Dec 2007 12:08 |
Hi Sophie The confusion I have is that on the censuses and marriage certificate he was born in Whiston not prescot.
I do realise that both those places are close together
Do you know if people had to fill out some sort of documentation to change their name?
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10 Dec 2007 12:25 |
Thanks very much for all your help on this one Sophie
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10 Dec 2007 12:26 |
1851 - looks like he is using a family name
William Swift Age: 1 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850 Relation: Son Father's Name: John Mother's Name: Elizabeth Where born: Whiston, Lancashire, Civil Parish: Whiston County/Island: Lancashire Registration district: Prescot Sub-registration district: Farnworth Margaret Houghton 9 Stepdaughter Peter Houghton 14 Stepson, Coaldrawer Elizabeth Swift 33 John Swift 38 Colliery Bankman William Swift 1 - Son
Class: HO107; Piece: 2194; Folio: 239; Page: 59; GSU roll: 87203.
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10 Dec 2007 12:30 |
A Marriage
John Swift Year of Registration: 1851 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Prescot County: Lancashire Volume: 20 Page: 761
Elizabeth Houghton on same page
Was William a Houghton or a Swift
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10 Dec 2007 12:32 |
Possible birth registration
William Houghton Year of Registration: 1850 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Prescot County: Lancashire Volume: 20 Page: 810
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10 Dec 2007 12:32 |
Sorry Sophie only just seen your post.
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10 Dec 2007 12:34 |
Or .........this birth registration..
William Swift Year of Registration: 1850 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: Prescot County: Lancashire Volume: 20 Page: 902
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10 Dec 2007 14:20 |
Gail and Sophie Thankyou so much for looking into all of this for me. Sorry I had to leave the house for a while.
Looking at what you have found in 1851 how on earth am I going to work out whether he was a Houghton or John Swift's son. Elizabeth was I assume married before to a Houghton and had Peter and Margaret. Any chance anyone could look at 1841 census and see if Elizabeth was married to someone Houghton with a son Peter age around 4.
Many thanks Elizabeth
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10 Dec 2007 14:55 |
Hi Just wondering if someone would be good enough to look this family up in the 1861 census.
If you could see where the parents were born that would be great and might help me in my mystery .
Many thanks Elizabeth
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10 Dec 2007 21:04 |
1841 census possible
Address-Whiston (part of) South side of the lane leading from the pottery to the lane ends?
Peter Houghton Age: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837 Where born: Lancashire, Civil Parish: Prescot Hundred: West Derby County/Island: Lancashire Registration district: Prescot Sub-registration district: Prescot Adam Houghton 15 Engineer Elizabeth Houghton 20 Ellen Houghton 1 Peter Houghton 4
Class: HO107; Piece 517; Book: 7; Civil Parish: Prescot; County: Lancashire; Enumeration District: 9; Folio: 7; Page: 7; Line: 19; GSU roll: 306904.
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10 Dec 2007 21:09 |
The marriage took place before Williams birth so it depends what Elizabeth registered him as, even if he was Johns son....
1861 Pottery Lane
William Swift Age: 11 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850 Relation: Son Father's Name: John Mother's Name: Elizabeth Where born: Whiston, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Whiston County/Island: Lancashire Registration district: PRESCOT Sub-registration district: Prescot James Forshaw 38 unmarried. Watch Screw Maker. Charlotte Swift 3 born Whiston, Daughter Elizabeth Swift 43 Ellen Swift 9 born Whiston, Daughter John Swift 47 Coal Heaver, born Tarbuck? Lancs William Swift 11
Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 2744; Folio: 94; Page: 43; GSU roll: 543022.
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10 Dec 2007 21:14 |
I am not sure who James Forshaw, the boarder on the 1861 is, but on the 1841 census there is a Joseph Forshaw aged 20 who is a coal miner, in the same household.
I wonder if the Forshaws are related in some way.
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