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5 Jan 2008 08:21 |
HI all
The Marriage Cert has arrived confirming William Cooper from Macclesfield (doens't say Forest ;ack of space) married Ellen Pearson from Chapel on le Frith.
Fathers Thomas Cooper Stonemason and Joseph Pearson Retired Farmer.
Still a few unanswered questions why did Thomas stop farming. Where did Joseph disappear to for 20 years. Was he in an Asylum in Derby?
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28 Dec 2007 19:10 |
I have ordered William Coopers and Ellen Pearsons marriage cert to confirm the link between Bugsworth and Macc Forest. Thomas 1781 is my direct descendent I am 95% sure. James 1815 was his son then Thomas 1852. William 1879 who married Ellen and then my Grandma Evelyn in 1901.
Still don't know what happened to the farm. I have been trying to find details of The Earl of Derby's land in Macc Forest area. The land was rented from his Estate. A record of why Thomas Cooper left the farming must be somewhere.
Anybody know where these records are?
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26 Dec 2007 13:08 |
Liz
Thanks for all the information and so much info found on Xmas day!
I will peruse the information through the day and speak to my Dad to confirm what he knows.
I know my Grandmother was Evelyn born to William Cooper and Ellen Cooper (nee Pearson). Moved from Bugsworth in the early 1900's.
I just need to be sure that the William Cooper on the 1901 Census in Chinley/Bugsworth is the son of Thomas Cooper from Macclesfield Forest.
What happened to them. Farmers then builders. William working as a Ag Lab in another area. Family must have had a hard time in the 1890's.
Thanks for your help so far
Simon
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25 Dec 2007 19:59 |
This man farms at Winshaw Farm. In 1861 he has retired and moved out.
1851 England Census about Thomas Cooper Name: Thomas Cooper Age: 70 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1781 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Nancy Gender: Male Where born: Wildboarclough, Cheshire, England Civil Parish: MacClesfield Forest County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View Image Registration district: Macclesfield Sub-registration district: Rainow ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 32 Household Members: Name Age Nancy Cooper 63 Thomas Cooper 70 William Cooper 24 Thomas Lomas 24 Mary Vernon 21 View Original Record
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1841 England Census about Thomas Cooper Name: Thomas Cooper Age: 60 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1781 Gender: Male Where born: Cheshire, England Civil Parish: Prestbury Hundred: Macclesfield County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Street address: Winshaw
Occupation:farmer View Image Registration district: Macclesfield Sub-registration district: Rainow Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age John Cooper 15 Nancy Cooper 55 Thomas Cooper 60 Thomas Cooper 20 William Cooper 15 View Original Record
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25 Dec 2007 11:36 |
marriages
Marriages Sep 1901 (>99%) ANDERSSEN Ivy Ethel Chapel le F. 7b 1574 Scan available - click to view COOPER William Chapel le F. 7b 1574 Scan available - click to view PEARSON Ellen Chapel le F. 7b 1574 Scan available - click to view WHATHAM Oswald Dacre Chapel le F 7b 1574
Marriages Mar 1907 (>99%) COOPER William Henry Chapel le F. 7b 1206 Scan available - click to view Lythgoe Ada Chapel en le F 7b 1206 Scan available - click to view MYCOCK Bertha Chapel le F. 7b 1206 Scan available - click to view REDFERN William Chapel le F. 7b 1206
Plenty possible marriages for Macclesfield though. Happy searching and have a great Christmas. Will get back to you later. Must put the dinner on.
Liz
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25 Dec 2007 11:17 |
Possible for William in 1901? Right area for his marriage.
Name: William Cooper Age: 22 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879 Relation: Servant Gender: Male Where born: MacClesfield, Cheshire, England Civil Parish: Brownside, Bugsworth, and Chinley Ecclesiastical parish: Bugsworth St James and Glossop All Saints Town: Bugsworth County/Island: Derbyshire Country: England Street address: The Hague
Occupation: farm servant, ag lab
Condition as to marriage: S
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration district: Chapel En Le Frith Sub-registration district: Chapel en le Frith ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 43 Household Members: Name Age James W Broadhurst 44 Farmer Jesse A Carrington 16 Farm servant William Cooper 22 Mary Scott 50 Housekeeper View Original Record
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25 Dec 2007 11:05 |
I think this may be the last marriage to Mary E
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Match quality: 2 out of 5 James Adams 1900 Oct-Nov-Dec MacClesfield Cheshire, Derbyshire View Record
Match quality: 2 out of 5 Sarah Jane Collins 1900 Oct-Nov-Dec MacClesfield Cheshire, Derbyshire View Record
Match quality: 2 out of 5 Thomas Cooper 1900 Oct-Nov-Dec MacClesfield Cheshire, Derbyshire View Record
Match quality: 2 out of 5 Mary Ellen Orme 1900 Oct-Nov-Dec MacClesfield Cheshire, Derbyshire
Name: Mary E. Orme Age: 23 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Samuel Mother's Name: Sarah Gender: Female Where born: Hurdsfield, Cheshire, England Civil Parish: Hurdsfield County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Street address: 11 Mason Lane Education:
Employment status: View Image Occupation: Ticketer Of Silk Goods Registration district: Macclesfield Sub-registration district: Bollington ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Orme 36 Ernest Orme 4 Mary E. Orme 23 Samuel Orme 58 Samuel Orme 10 Sarah Orme 61 View Original Record
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1891 England Census about Mary E Orme Name: Mary E Orme Age: 33 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858 Relation: Sister Gender: Female Where born: Hurdsfield, Cheshire, England Civil Parish: Hurdsfield Ecclesiastical parish: Hurdsfield County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration district: Macclesfield Sub-registration district: Bollington ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Orme 45 head Ernest Orme 14 son Mary E Orme 33 Samuel Orme 20 son View Original Record
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25 Dec 2007 10:50 |
I think this is Harold's birth (1891 census). This would tell you Elizabeth Ann's maiden name as I'm not finding anything on ancestry or freebmd as to a marriage.
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983 about Harold Cooper Name: Harold Cooper Year of Registration: 1890 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: MacClesfield County: Cheshire, Derbyshire Volume: 8a Page: 132 (click to see others on page)
I'm glad you knew what happened to Ann as the 3 census all have different spouses.
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24 Dec 2007 22:58 |
***alviegal*** Liz
Merry Xmas to you
I had noticed the name Nield. I have confirmed that now through another GR tree. Thanks again.
So Thomas Cooper married an Ann Cooperin 1873.
Ann died in 1883 giving birth to son Arthur. He died 10 weeks later. Source: http://www.wishful-thinking.org.uk/genuki/CHS/MacclesfieldForest/MIs.html
Thomas must have married Elizebeth Ann in 1883/84. Her maiden name would be useful.
My connection I think is through Thomas's son William. I think he married Ellen Pearson from Chinley/Bugsworth area. Their daughter was my Grandmother.
The change of occupation is interesting. My Dad has told me in the past that Harold had a building company in Macclesfield called Cooper Brothers but I have never found any information on it.
I just now need to confirm Thomas's William to Ellen and I confident my understanding is correct.
I still need to find James 1816 parents I think his father was William (I worked this out from other Gravestone at St Stephens)
Have a great Xmas and thank-you
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Simon
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alviegal
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24 Dec 2007 20:46 |
These are marriages between 1871 and 1875 in Macclesfield.
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Dec 1873 (>99%) BROOKER Fanny Mary Macclesfield 8a 166 Scan available - click to view COOPER Ann Macclesfield 8a 166 Scan available - click to view COOPER Thomas Macclesfield 8a 166 Scan available - click to view RICHARDS Thomas Edward Macclesfield 8a 166 Scan available - click to view
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Marriages Jun 1874 (>99%) BRINDLEY Eliza Macclesfield 8a 177 Scan available - click to view Cliff John Macclesfield 8a 177 Scan available - click to view Cooper Thomas Macclesfield 8a 177 Scan available - click to view Jennings Caroline Macclesfield 8a 177 Scan available - click to view
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alviegal
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24 Dec 2007 20:08 |
Hi Simon, here Thomas is in 1881. He seems to have taken over his dad's farm. Did you notice in 1861 census, one of the servants had the surname Neild? Possible relative of the wife?
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability Thomas COOPER Head M Male 29 Macclesfield Forest, Cheshire, England Farmer Of 174 Acres Ann COOPER Wife M Female 29 Macclesfield Forest, Cheshire, England Farmers Wife Sarah COOPER Daur U Female 7 Macclesfield Forest, Cheshire, England Scholar James COOPER Son U Male 5 Macclesfield Forest, Cheshire, England Scholar William COOPER Son U Male 2 Macclesfield Forest, Cheshire, England Fred COOPER Son U Male 4 m Macclesfield Forest, Cheshire, England Sarah LONGDEN Servant U Female 14 Bradford, Lancashire, England Domestic Servant George BALEY Servant U Male 22 Rushton, Stafford, England Farm Servant (Indoor)
Source Information: Dwelling Winshaw Census Place Macclesfield Forest, Cheshire, England Family History Library Film 1341836 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 3490 / 53 Page Number 4
1891 England Census about Thomas Cooper Name: Thomas Cooper Age: 32 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Elizebeth Ann Gender: Male Where born: MacClesfield Forest, Cheshire, England Civil Parish: MacClesfield Forest Ecclesiastical parish: Macclesfield Forest County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Street address:
Occupation: still farmer at Winsham
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration district: Macclesfield Sub-registration district: Rainow ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Albert Cooper 8 Elizebeth Ann Cooper 27 Fred Cooper 10 Harold Cooper 2 James Cooper 15 Sarah Cooper 17 Thomas Cooper 32 William Cooper 13 James Mitchell 62 servant View Original Record
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1901 England Census about Thomas Cooper Name: Thomas Cooper Age: 49 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary E Gender: Male Where born: MacClesfield; Forest Civil Parish: MacClesfield Ecclesiastical parish: Macclesfield St George Town: MacClesfield County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration district: Macclesfield Sub-registration district: Sutton ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 175 Household Members: Name Age Albert Cooper 18 brickfitter? Fred Cooper 20 brickfitter? Harold Cooper 12 Mary E Cooper 43 b Hurdsfield Thomas Cooper 49 builder and contractor View Original Record
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This seems to be the family but complete change of occupation.
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23 Dec 2007 20:30 |
***alviegal*** Liz
Thanks for the Census and Marriage look-ups. Certainly gives me more to go on. Ann's maiden name Walthall or Nield both uncommon names. Should be relatively easy to track down.
Could you find Census and Marriage details of one of James sons Thomas please.
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alviegal
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22 Dec 2007 22:13 |
This is possibly his marriage to one of the Anns. MC would give the father's name and occupation.
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Match quality: 2 out of 5 Joseph Brooks 1837 Jul-Aug-Sep MacClesfield Cheshire, Derbyshire View Record
Match quality: 2 out of 5 Elizabeth Cliff 1837 Jul-Aug-Sep MacClesfield Cheshire, Derbyshire View Record
Match quality: 2 out of 5 James Cooper 1837 Jul-Aug-Sep MacClesfield Cheshire, Derbyshire View Record
Match quality: 2 out of 5 Nancy Henshall 1837 Jul-Aug-Sep MacClesfield Cheshire, Derbyshire View Record
Match quality: 2 out of 5 John Jackson 1837 Jul-Aug-Sep MacClesfield Cheshire, Derbyshire View Record
Match quality: 2 out of 5 Ann Nield 1837 Jul-Aug-Sep MacClesfield Cheshire, Derbyshire View Record
Match quality: 2 out of 5 William Street 1837 Jul-Aug-Sep MacClesfield Cheshire, Derbyshire View Record
Match quality: 2 out of 5 Anne Walthall 1837 Jul-Aug-Sep MacClesfield Cheshire, Derbyshire Results per page
Liz
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22 Dec 2007 22:03 |
1861 England Census about William Cooper Name: William Cooper Age: 2 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859 Relation: Brother-in-law Gender: Male Where born: Sutton, Cheshire, England Civil Parish: MacClesfield Forest Town: MacClesfield Forest County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Street address:
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Condition as to marriage: View Image Registration district: Macclesfield Sub-registration district: Rainow ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 33 Household Members: Name Age Ann Cooper 45 Ann Cooper 19 Eliza Cooper 17 Elizabeth Cooper 15 James Cooper 47 Thomas Cooper 9 William Cooper 2 image reads brothers son not brother in law George Goodwin 19 servant John Nield 28 servant View Original Record
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James now farms 173 acres at Winsham farm
1871 England Census about Ann Cooper Name: Ann Cooper Age: 54 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1817 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: James Gender: Female Where born: Wildboarclough Civil Parish: MacClesfield Forest County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View Image Registration district: Macclesfield Sub-registration district: Rainow ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 33 Household Members: Name Age Ann Cooper 54 James Cooper 57 Mary Cooper 26 Thomas Cooper 19 William Cooper 12 nephew Joseph Cundiff 19 servant View Original Record
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Same address as above
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alviegal
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22 Dec 2007 21:57 |
Here they are in 1851 still at the same address. He farms 25 acres
1851 England Census about James Cooper Name: James Cooper Age: 37 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1814 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Ann Gender: Male Where born: MacClesfield Forest Civil Parish: MacClesfield Forest County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View Image Registration district: Macclesfield Sub-registration district: Rainow ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 22 Household Members: Name Age Ann Cooper 34 Ann Cooper 9 Eliza Cooper 7 Elizabeth Cooper 4 James Cooper 37 Mary Cooper 6 Sarah Cooper 13 View Original Record
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Mother and Sarah born Wildboarclough, Cheshire
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22 Dec 2007 21:22 |
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19 Dec 2007 21:13 |
nudge up
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15 Dec 2007 19:18 |
nudge up
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Simon
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13 Dec 2007 12:58 |
Looking at the 1841 Census and St Stephens baptism records. I think James Coopers father was William Cooper born in 1786.
Other possibilities are:
1781 John 1782 William 1783 Adam 1790 John
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13 Dec 2007 11:14 |
James Cooper abt 1816
1841 Census livng at Toothill House Farm in Macclesfield Forest Cheshire. Married to Ann Known Children Sarah 1838 and Thomas 1852
Were there of ther children Who were James parents
Thanks in advance Simon
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