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anyone got access to ancestry.com

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CelticShiv

CelticShiv Report 15 Dec 2007 22:59

Yes I did wonder if perhaps the date of death was wrong. Most stuff my gran has come out with has turned out to be correct. I suppose she can not be spot on for everything.

thanks for doing some searches for me.

Researching:
Ashford-Smith, Smith, Clarke - England and Scotland, Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian, Bennett - Devonport, Catleugh & Shiells - East Lothian, Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland, Littlejohns - Plymouth & London, Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras, Michelin - London, Newlands - Midlothian & Fife, Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian, Paulin - Northumberland, Rutherford - Roxburghshire, Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire, Thomson - Leith & Muthill, Thorney - Herefordshire, Small - Northumberland,

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 15 Dec 2007 22:43

Just doing a little research on the train crash and William Marr was not one of the victims. There was however a George Marr, 24 Main St., Bathgate, West Lothian. Hope he wasn't another rellie.

Researching:
Great grandmother Dorothy Bean nee Abbott (1858-1908)

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 15 Dec 2007 22:22

On second thought, Siobhan, I wonder if it's just a mistake on CWGC and he did die on the 23rd.as a result of that train crash. Especially since that's what your gran remembers.
Margaret

Researching:
Great grandmother Dorothy Bean nee Abbott (1858-1908)

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 15 Dec 2007 22:19

We're on the same wavelength, Siobhan, I thought, too, that he must have been killed in that train crash, I believe that there were a couple of hundred soldiers killed, but, as you say, he died before that happened.
I'm sure that he is definitely buried in Scotland because that's what the CWGC says. Most families put up a memorial stone in their hometown cemetery but the CWGC tells where they were actually buried and it does say Rosebank Cemetery.
Margaret

Researching:
Great grandmother Dorothy Bean nee Abbott (1858-1908)

CelticShiv

CelticShiv Report 15 Dec 2007 21:11

okay my gran seems to think he died in a train crash in 1915 near the River Tay. I can only find one crash for May 1915 and it was the Quintinshill, Dumfries one on the 22nd, but he died on the 3rd.

Researching:
Ashford-Smith, Smith, Clarke - England and Scotland, Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian, Bennett - Devonport, Catleugh & Shiells - East Lothian, Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland, Littlejohns - Plymouth & London, Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras, Michelin - London, Newlands - Midlothian & Fife, Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian, Paulin - Northumberland, Rutherford - Roxburghshire, Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire, Thomson - Leith & Muthill, Thorney - Herefordshire, Small - Northumberland,

CelticShiv

CelticShiv Report 15 Dec 2007 20:39

Hi Margaret, his parents lived on bonnington road which is just by the rosebank cemetery in Edinburgh. I wonder if perhaps his parents just had a memorial put there for him.

I looked on Scotlands people and there is nothing on there for him.

I will look into his records on the site you mention. Will also speak to my gran, see if she knows anymore about what happened to him.

thanks,

Siobhan

Researching:
Ashford-Smith, Smith, Clarke - England and Scotland, Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian, Bennett - Devonport, Catleugh & Shiells - East Lothian, Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland, Littlejohns - Plymouth & London, Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras, Michelin - London, Newlands - Midlothian & Fife, Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian, Paulin - Northumberland, Rutherford - Roxburghshire, Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire, Thomson - Leith & Muthill, Thorney - Herefordshire, Small - Northumberland,

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 15 Dec 2007 17:05

I see that he's buried in Edinburgh. Unusual for a war casualty. I wonder if he died there after being wounded?

There's a site similar to the CWGC but just for Canadians. He's on it. It's here:

http://www.vac-acc.gc.ca/remembers/sub.cfm?source=collections/virtualmem

You can also order his complete record from the Collectionscanada site. (Where the attestation papers are). I have never done so myself so can't really advise. They evidently charge per page but can't tell you beforehand how many pages there are. I understand that the cost isn't really prohibitive and in this case he didn't last very long so there probably aren't that many pages.
Sorry, doesn't that sound cruel?

Researching:
Great grandmother Dorothy Bean nee Abbott (1858-1908)

CelticShiv

CelticShiv Report 15 Dec 2007 16:22

Hi Margaret, yes I have just seen, is very sad. He was my great grandmother's brother.

do you know where I would obtain his death cert???? would it be the scottish gro or would I apply somewhere else because he died in the war.

thanks,

Siobhan

Researching:
Ashford-Smith, Smith, Clarke - England and Scotland, Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian, Bennett - Devonport, Catleugh & Shiells - East Lothian, Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland, Littlejohns - Plymouth & London, Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras, Michelin - London, Newlands - Midlothian & Fife, Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian, Paulin - Northumberland, Rutherford - Roxburghshire, Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire, Thomson - Leith & Muthill, Thorney - Herefordshire, Small - Northumberland,

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 14 Dec 2007 21:48

Oh dear, I see that he was killed in the war, Siobhan.
How sad! Enlisted Sept. 1914. Was killed May 1915.

Researching:
Great grandmother Dorothy Bean nee Abbott (1858-1908)

CelticShiv

CelticShiv Report 14 Dec 2007 21:44

thank you ever so much Margaret.

Researching:
Ashford-Smith, Smith, Clarke - England and Scotland, Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian, Bennett - Devonport, Catleugh & Shiells - East Lothian, Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland, Littlejohns - Plymouth & London, Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras, Michelin - London, Newlands - Midlothian & Fife, Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian, Paulin - Northumberland, Rutherford - Roxburghshire, Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire, Thomson - Leith & Muthill, Thorney - Herefordshire, Small - Northumberland,

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 14 Dec 2007 21:41

Attestation papers for Canadian soldiers in WW1 are free here:

http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/archivianet/cef/index-e.html

Researching:
Great grandmother Dorothy Bean nee Abbott (1858-1908)

CelticShiv

CelticShiv Report 14 Dec 2007 21:36

i have access to UK but not .com. There is a canadian ww1 record for William Newlands Marr. I would be very grateful if someone could give me details.

thank you in advance

Researching:
Ashford-Smith, Smith, Clarke - England and Scotland, Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian, Bennett - Devonport, Catleugh & Shiells - East Lothian, Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland, Littlejohns - Plymouth & London, Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras, Michelin - London, Newlands - Midlothian & Fife, Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian, Paulin - Northumberland, Rutherford - Roxburghshire, Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire, Thomson - Leith & Muthill, Thorney - Herefordshire, Small - Northumberland,