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Ah -- looked more closely at google maps, and it seems Dogsthorpe would be called Paston in censuses. That's where the next-generation William and Susannah Baker were in 1881.


Another Paston-Baker-Lincolnshire connection, in 1891/1901:


Name: Martha L Baker
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: George H
Gender: Female
Where born: Paston, Northamptonshire, England

Name: George H Baker
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Martha L
Gender: Male
Where born: Walcott, Lincolnshire, England

Civil Parish: Peterborough Within St John The Baptist
Ecclesiastical parish: Peterborough St Mark
Town: Peterborough
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England

Registration district: Peterborough
Sub-registration district: Peterborough
ED, institution, or vessel: 40
Household schedule number: 72

Charles R Baker 2
George H Baker 32
Harry L M Baker 11 months
Ivy B M Baker 8
Martha L Baker 36

That's the thing -- I assumed Susannah came from Dogsthorpe, since her mother did, and Mary J is shown as born there, in the 1851 census.

It just seems a coincidence that this Ernest Baker (parents apparently William and Susannah, of the next generation from yours!) was born in Dogsthorpe too. Just don't know what it means!

Hi Kathryn B - the Dogsthorpe connection may be that, although the marriage in 1840 is given as Peterborough for William and Susannah, she in fact came from Dogsthorpe where her family farmed a large tract of land. So her marrying a Miller would not be out of character.

On second thought, I think it's the same preson --

Susannah Baker born c1853, daughter of William and Hannah(?)

married Crowson
then had children as Baker
then married Tibbett

or wasn't married in at least one instance. Can't find a Crowson-Susannah marriage to fit, either.

No, that doesn't work. In 1881 she's married to William Baker, so she wasn't his sister ... the one who was his sister is living with him in 1901 ... unless these are totally different William Bakers ...

Yeah. Red herrings. Here's that family in 1841:

Hannah Baker 25
John Baker 2
Joseph Baker 4
Wm Baker 20


William, widowed by Hannah, married Susannah someone, who had a son named Ernest something born in Dogsthorpe ...

Don't you wish you'd never asked??

Thanks again Kathryn B, I've just had a look at the 1891 on Ancestry, and it gives Mary J's place of birth as Leicester,Lincolnshire. So tomorrow I will have a look at the possibility that William married Susannah,went to either Lincs or Leic. Mary J was born, Susannah died there, and William remarried. Not entirely impossible - her gt. grandfather possibly had three wives. Still trying to piece all that together.

This is that household in 1891:


Name: Earnest Tebbutt
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Wm Thos
Mother's Name: Susannah
Gender: Male
Where born: Dogsthorpe, Nottinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Deeping St James
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: Deeping St James
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Registration district: Bourn
Sub-registration district: Deeping
ED, institution, or vessel: 3

Bertie Tebbutt 4
Earnest Tebbutt 8
Ether Tebbutt 2/12
Florence Tebbutt 6
Joseph Tebbutt 16
Susannah Tebbutt 38
Susannah Tebbutt 12
Wm Thos Tebbutt 31
Wm W Tebbutt 13


William Tibbitt wasn't married in 1881:


Name: William Tibbett
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Brother in Law
Gender: Male
Where born: Deeping St James, Lincoln, England

Civil Parish: Maxey
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England


This gets messy! This is Joseph Tibbitt, the son in the 1891 Tibbittt household who obviously wasn't William's son, in 1891:


Name: Joseph C. Crowson
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Susannah
Gender: Male
Where born: Crowland, Lincoln, England

Civil Parish: Paston
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England

Street address: 9 Brickyard Terr

Registration district: Peterborough
Sub-registration district: Peterborough
ED, institution, or vessel: 15

Mary E. Baker 8
Susannah Baker 28
Susannah Baker 2
William Baker 29
William W. Baker 4
Joseph C. Crowson 7


Susannah appears to have been or been married to a Crowson, then married William Baker and had sons Ernest and Bertie, then married William Tibbett.


William Baker's details:


Name: William Baker
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Susannah
Gender: Male
Where born: Crowson, Lincoln, England


And that brings us back to that 1861 household in which the William HOH was an Ag machine worker -- this William is the son.


It's just the names -- William, Susannah, Baker -- and the Dogsthorpe connection. What the connection might be ... ?

No, sigh, here's that 1861 Susannah Baker in 1901, living with brother William:


Name: Susannah Baker
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Sister
Gender: Female
Where born: Swineshead, Lincolnshire, England

What do you make of this, in 1901?


Name: Ernest Baker
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Susannah
Gender: Male
Where born: Dogsthorpe, Northamptonshire, England

Civil Parish: Deeping St James
Ecclesiastical parish: Deeping St James
Town: Deeping St James
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Registration district: Bourne
Sub-registration district: Deeping
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 5

Birty Baker 14
Ernest Baker 18
Ethel Tibbitt 10
Susannah Tibbitt 49
William Tibbitt 41


I dunno. The parents are from Lincolnshire. Looks like the Baker boys must be the mother's by a previous marriage -- or before marriage. Ernest is the only one born in Northamptonshire. Was Susannah a Baker by birth? Can't find a William Tibbitt + Susannah marriage.


1861 possibility:


Name: William Baker
Age: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1812
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Hannah
Gender: Male
Where born: Quadring, Lincolnshire, England

Civil Parish: Gosberton
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Occupation: Agricultural machine worker -- ?

Registration district: Spalding
Sub-registration district: Gosberton
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 21

Hannah Baker 44
John Baker 22
Susannah Baker 8
Thomas Baker 5
William Baker 49
William Baker 10


Just musing ...

I've taken a stab at Mary J in 1861 and 1871, no luck so far. Tried for anybody born in Dogsthorpe, but she seems to have abandoned naming her place of birth so specifically ... or Ancestry has turned Dogsthorpe into a dog's breakfast ...

Thanks Kathryn B for trying. I'm looking down the road of one or the other of them remarrying.

Yeah, so much for that theory. In 1841 in Godmanchester:

Catherine Baker 30
Henry Baker 7
Jane Baker 11
Mary Baker 10
Matilda Baker 5
Susan Baker 3
Thos Baker 9
William Baker 30

In 1841, William Baker was born out of county.


In 1881, searching for William Bakers who were millers, we have this guy:


Name: William Baker
Age: 72
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1809
Relation: Father
Gender: Male
Where born: Godmanchester, Huntingdon, England

Civil Parish: St Ives
County/Island: Huntingdonshire
Country: England

Street address: Bullock Mar
Condition as to marriage: Widow
Occupation: Formerly Miller

Registration district: St Ives
Sub-registration district: St Ives
ED, institution, or vessel: 3

Catherine A.C. Baker 7
Ebenezer W. Baker 17
Frederick Baker 9
Harry C. Baker 11
Henrietta Baker 48
Henry Baker 46
William Baker 72
Elizabeth Hayres 15


Looks like a not bad match. Except that son Henry was born c1835. Is the household findable in 1841 or 51?

Many thanks for that Kathryn B. I have wondered if the mother died in childbirth, as she was 27 when Mary J was born, which by todays standards is not old, but possibly was in 1842. I didn't read your reply properly, but now see what you mean. Again, many thanks

I'm afraid that finding the parents' deaths is a job for you! ;)

There isn't a Susannah Baker death in Peterborough in the 1840s. My suspicion would be remarriage. I had a look at a Susannah Adams, husband Joseph, in 1851; she was born in Dogsthorpe at the right time . But there's no Joseph Adams - Susannah marriage in the 1840s, on a quick search at FreeBMD. Mind you, people didn't always marry ...

You might search likewise for William, i.e. with a new wife. Odds might be better that only one of them died before 1851. There's no William Baker death specifically in Peterborough in the 1840s either. For deaths that early, where no year of birth is shown in the index, identifying the right one - if there was one - would be quite a chore.

Yes Kathryn B that is the correct people, I would be very happy if you found the parents deaths. Got a feeling Mary J may have been brought up by Grandma Rebecca. From 1881 to 1901, she lives with aunts Rebecca and Mary. Don't know where she is from 1851 to 1881 either. Many many thanks for find this for me.

You can find 'em in 1841 -- wanna share?! Info like their places and dates of birth is kinda needed.

Would this be them in 1841?


Name: Susannah Baker
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Gender: Female
Where born: Northamptonshire, England

Civil Parish: St John The Baptist
Hundred: Nassaburgh
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England

Registration district: Peterborough
Sub-registration district: Peterborough

Susannah Baker 25
William Baker 25


Would this be Mary J?

Name: Mary Baker
Year of Registration: 1842
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Peterborough
County: Cambridgeshire, Huntingdonshire, Lincolnshire, Northamptonshire
Volume: 15
Page: 343


Never mind! -- here she is in 1851:


Name: Mary J Baker
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Dogsthorpe, Northamptonshire, England

Civil Parish: Peterborough
Ecclesiastical parish: Peterborough
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England

Registration district: Peterborough
Sub-registration district: Stilton
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 55

Mary J Baker 7
John O Dolsingham 19
John Hamen 21
Mary Turner 43
Rebecca Turner 80
Rebecca Turner 36


Have to check for deaths for the parents.

Can anyone find William Baker, married to Susannah Turner in 1840,in Peterborough, and had a child Mary J Baker around 1843. I can find William and Susannah in the 1841 census in Peterborough, but not after this date. He was a Miller by profession