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hi im ever so sorry that you feel this way i very much appreciate all your help, i am not the same person as the other threds, i did not respond until now as i have a very sick baby who has to have medication ect and was seing to her... again i do appologise for not responding until now and i am very very appreciative
thanks for all your help xx merry christmas

Start a thread. Just take the time to list what you *have* done. As much time as it takes, and as long a post as it takes.

The thing is that the thread will then be on the board in perpetuity -- put it under a particular surname (if you need directions for doing that, I can pass on the ones someone gave me), and anyone ever looking for that surname will be able to see it.

I've done several like that -- just in case someone thinks of something or knows something I haven't or don't. See my Reuben Cooper tale for instance (filter by surname Cooper), or Ernest Monck (ditto). I start by saying I'm not asking for anyone to go dredging through databases, but if anyone knows anything or has any ideas, they're welcome.

I just wish that when people aren't actually asking for help with something, and are just hoping to attract the attention of people directly concerned, they'd say so!

Don't underestimate, now. I found a birth mother in England for the child in California that she'd placed for adoption over 40 years ago, when he'd been trying to find for her years. Took me a couple of hours before they were talking on the phone. My finest hour. But then he hadn't actually done anything to try to find her except put messages on the internet ... while in your case you're probably right that people aren't going to come up with things you haven't thought of. No harm trying, though!

Sorry, again!

Obviously I wasn't aware that you were receiving pm's from the poster, actually I was wondering why you didn't pm her if you were upset by her attitude.

Why do you say I need to see a neurologist, bit steep don't you think?!!!! I had already apologised!

The information I am looking for is how to trace a parent that you've lost contact with and after years of trying its difficult to list all the different avenues I've been down, thats why i said i was worried in case you felt I was wasting yours and the rest of the people on here's time. It wasn't because I would willingly withold information!

So, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, is that enough now?!!!!

"Sorry but it just seemed that the original poster may have just gone to bed!!!!"

Well, it "seemed" wrong. The original poster was busy sending me private messages whining about my objection to multiple posts all about the same bunch of people, and failure to disclose information. All the while saying NOTHING about what had been done for her on this thread.

The original poster, formerly known as amanda, never uttered a word of acknowledgement to my original attempt to assist her with the related problem that I have now apparently solved in this thread -- I didn't reproduce that post and the URL here for my health:

http://genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=980658

"hi could any one help? i have searched and searced for the death of a sarah cholmondley married name wilde, she was born in march 1864 and married a james wilde (1865) in 1887 ellesmere i just cant find there deaths."

If you'd bothered to follow that link, you'd have seen that the attempt was made (the brief response I posted doesn't exactly reflect the amount of time spent looking for info and finding nothing), and that NO acknowledgement was given. And she'd had 10 days to respond, in that case.

"I get the impression that you don't think its okay for people to plonk their comments where they see fit although thats what I felt you'd done!"

Bully for you. Maybe you should see a neurologist. Your feeling seems to be out of whack.

"the reason I said I won't bother is because I thought I might upset you if I kept saying 'oh yes, I know that already'!"

It would annoy quite a lot of people. I don't know what's happened to the PLEASE READ post about the TTF board that was here for a couple of weeks, but if you'd seen it, you'd realize that.

Why you would ask for assistance and NOT disclose all the info you have, so that people were NOT finding stuff you already know, I wouldn't know.

A lot of people who ask for help here don't know how to use FreeBMD or the IGI, for instance. I don't mind at all using the tricks that one gets to know, with experience, to help out if needed. But I prefer to pass on those tips and directions for finding info and not just copy and paste stuff from the sources for people to pack up and take home. The hunt really is the fun, and learning how to hunt is what is often needed.

Here's an example:

http://genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=978768

I used tricks to solve a problem someone thought was hopeless in a jiffy, then passed on the tricks -- and next day, using the tricks, she found a family that had eluded her for ages.

If all someone does want is to have someone else hand them their entire family history on a platter, they're too boring for me and obviously not on the same page. Oh, and that's what actual genealogists get *paid* to do.

I know that Amanda wasn't in that situation. However, her practice of doling out tiny bits of information about a bunch of different but all closely related people in a bunch of different posts resulted in duplication of effort and wasted time.

Sorry but it just seemed that the original poster may have just gone to bed!!!!
If she still hadn't responded tomorrow evening then I'd probably be a bit put out too that she hadn't acknowledged your help!

I get the impression that you don't think its okay for people to plonk their comments where they see fit although thats what I felt you'd done!

I applaud all the work that you people do on this site, I myself have chipped in a number of times with help when I've been able and maybe this person is ungracious about that, I just thought you didn't give her much time to respond.

I apologise for not recognising your name but I've got to be honest, I don't take much notice of the names of the posters, I tend to just read through the interesting bits! I was scanning through to see whether it was worth asking for help with a branch of my tree but I can see that the help that is generally being given is the type of info I already have. I was seriously reading the board with a view to asking for help and the reason I said I won't bother is because I thought I might upset you if I kept saying "oh yes, I know that already"!

Anyway, Merry Christmas!!!

Do what you like, Carol.

And feel free to plonk any comments you might like to make without knowing what you're talking about wherever you might see fit.

Of course, if you were seriously reading the board with a view to asking for help, you won't have missed all the g.d. help I do constantly provide to people in need of it, some of whom have the courtesy to acknowledge it.

Can I just ask, did the original poster offend you in some way cos it certainly seems that way!!!
I was scanning these boards before I asked for help but don't think I'll bother!
Maybe she just hasn't got time to sit at the computer as much as we do!

So again ... after all that ... and all the private messages of complaint ... I'm just not seeing any acknowledgement of this assistance, Amanda.

It may take you a while to sort it all out. Sometimes you don't actually seem to want to bother doing that. I hope you do, and then follow the suggestion of getting the Sarah Price and, hopefully, James Wilde marriage certificate, which might answer some questions for you that nobody here can answer.

So this was the record for the James Wilde marriage:


Name: James Wilde
Year of Registration: 1887
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Ellesmere
County: Flintshire, Shropshire
Volume: 6a
Page: 12*0


Because there was no complete page number, he could not be matched to a bride.

Well, there are no matches for 1200 or 1290 or 1260, the things it looks like it could be on the image.

But there's this, among the 36 names for the same volume number, 6a:

Name: Sarah Price
Year of Registration: 1887
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Ellesmere
County: Flintshire, Shropshire
Volume: 6a
Page: 1207

Note that there was an Elizabeth Price living on the boat with young Sarah in 1871, possibly just barely old enough to be her mother.

The other two Sarahs are Sarah Ann Townsend and Sarah Wright, neither of whom is on a page number starting with 12.

I think somebody accidentally typed "0" twice for James's entry, and the "7" at the end didn't take.


I recommend that you order the certificate for Sarah Price, for which that information is correct, and see whether she married James Wilde, and what it says about her father.

And now we remember old Sarah Chumly.

Are you Amanda, or was someone completely different asking about these same people?

http://genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=980658

"hi could any one help? i have searched and searced for the death of a sarah cholmondley married name wilde, she was born in march 1864 and married a james wilde (1865) in 1887 ellesmere i just cant find there deaths."

... wherein I also took a stab at it. And never got an answer to the question I asked -- how you, or whoever it was, knew that James and Sarah married in 1887 in Ellesmere.

There is a transcription of James Wilde marrying then and there, but there is no matching Sarah Cholmondley in the records that I could find.


1901:

Name: James Wilde
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England

Name: Sarah Wilde
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James
Gender: Female
Where born: Chilton, Shropshire, England

Civil Parish: Alpraham
Ecclesiastical parish: Tilston St Jude
Town: Alpraham
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Registration district: Nantwich
Sub-registration district: Bunbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 93

Arthur H Wilde 2
Esther Wilde 17
James Wilde 35
James E Wilde 10
Louisa Agnes Wilde 4
Mary J Wilde 12
Sarah Wilde 32



Alrighty. Here is Sarah Cholmondley in 1871:


Name: Sarah Cholmoudley -- Orphan
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Gender: Female
Where born: Whpton, Buckinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Alpraham
Ecclesiastical parish: Bunbury
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Registration district: Nantwich
Sub-registration district: Bunbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 113


In Alpraham. The same place she and James Wilde are living in 1901. Ancestry has screwed up the household listing. She is living on a lock boat -- and James and his father were canal boatmen. Her household is:


Name: William Harris -- Master Boatman
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Gender: Male
Where born: Habington, Buckinghamshire, England

Name: Sarah Harris (presumably wife)
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Gender: Female
Where born: Bildis, Buckinghamshire, England

Name: Elizabeth Price -- Assistant
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Gender: Female
Where born: Whpton (it's Shipton), Buckinghamshire, England


There is no information about their relationships.


You need to go to FreeBMD and look at the image before ordering the birth certificate, because a correction has been made -- there are two different versions of the page number:

Sarah Ann Cholmondley
1864 Jan-Feb-Mar
Wolverhampton


Are we happy now?

"my james was a canal boatmen the same as edward his father 1865 shrewsbury"

Well, that's as may be.

There was only one James Wilde born in that place at that time:

Name: James Wilde
Year of Registration: 1865
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Shrewsbury (1837-71)
County: Shropshire
Volume: 6a
Page: 634

and that appears to be the James Wilde who was a house servant in 1881.

Of course, if you have a better candidate for your James in 1881, I'm sure you'll tell us.

Meanwhile, you're very welcome, I'm sure, for all the time and effort I, for one, put into trying to help you with your problem.

Or not.

Sorry to burst that bubble, Janice, but I think this is Edward Wild and Mary Woolrich, who married in 1858, in 1861:


Name: Edward Wild
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

Name: Mary Wild
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Edward
Gender: Female
Where born: Frampton, Shropshire, England
(I think it actually says Frankton)

Civil Parish: Little Ness
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England

Registration district: Ellesmere
Sub-registration district: Baschurch
ED, institution, or vessel: 4b
Household schedule number: 47

Elizabeth Gray 14
Edward Wild 23
Mary Wild 23

So ... after all that ...

thanks
my james was a canal boatmen the same as edward his father 1865 shrewsbury he married a lady called sarah ... but my gt grandfathers certificate says her name is chomandley but i think it may be cholmondley as there is nothing on her x

marriage
?//could be Mary
Name: Edward Wild on same page Mary Woolrich
Year of Registration: 1858
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Ellesmere
County: Flintshire, Shropshire
Volume: 6a
Page: 1099

1871
Name: Mary Wilde
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Edward
Gender: Female
Where born: Moors, Shropshire, England

Civil Parish: Whittington
i think you would have to get a childs birth cert which will give mothers maiden name

Daughter Eliza, aged 9 in the 1871 census, was born in Wolverhampton. Actually, I'd bet that's a mistake -- the next two children were born in Welshampton, and my hunch is the enumerator erred with that Wolverhampton.


There's some pre-existing marriage here for either Edward or Mary, I strongly suspect. Two kids about 20, 3 kids under 10.


In 1861:


Name: Edward Wilde
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1818
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Oswestry, Shropshire, England

Civil Parish: Alberbury
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England

Registration district: Atcham
Sub-registration district: Alberbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 109

Edward Wilde 43
Sarah Wilde 47


In 1851 and 1861 there are a couple of Georges born c1850 in Market Drayton, with mother Mary, who could be the George in the 1871 Wilde household.

My bet is that previously-married Mary and previously-married Edward hooked up, not necessarily by marrying, and merged her kids into a new household with kids probably of their own.


Then, this is your James in 1881? --


Name: James Wilde
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Meeson, Shropshire, England

Civil Parish: Edgmond
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England

Street address: Day House
Occupation: Farm Servant (Indoor)

Registration district: Newport
Sub-registration district: Newport

i have tried igi and bmd and i just cant find anything on him x

hi thanks for replys
yes thats the one i have there son james is my gt grandfather but i have nothing but that xx

Okay, you probably have that info from here, the 1871:


Name: Edward Wilde
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Maesbury, Shropshire, England

Civil Parish: Whittington
Ecclesiastical parish: Whittington
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England

Registration district: Oswestry
Sub-registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Household schedule number: 57

Edward Wilde 50
Eliza Wilde 9
Emma Wilde 2
George Wilde 21
James Wilde 7
Mary Wilde 41
Sarah Wilde 19


so presumably they married sometime not long before 1851 ...

Tell us how you know what you know -- the birth and marriage. A census? the IGI? and what exactly does the record you've found say?