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GRAY FAMILY AUSTRALIA

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CelticShiv

CelticShiv Report 20 Dec 2007 16:04

i've gotta go offline for a bit now, will check back later, to see your response

Researching:
Ashford-Smith, Smith, Clarke - England and Scotland, Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian, Bennett - Devonport, Catleugh & Shiells - East Lothian, Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland, Littlejohns - Plymouth & London, Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras, Michelin - London, Newlands - Midlothian & Fife, Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian, Paulin - Northumberland, Rutherford - Roxburghshire, Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire, Thomson - Leith & Muthill, Thorney - Herefordshire, Small - Northumberland,

CelticShiv

CelticShiv Report 20 Dec 2007 16:02

i wonder why he was at hospital.

do you have a copy of his death certificate?

Researching:
Ashford-Smith, Smith, Clarke - England and Scotland, Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian, Bennett - Devonport, Catleugh & Shiells - East Lothian, Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland, Littlejohns - Plymouth & London, Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras, Michelin - London, Newlands - Midlothian & Fife, Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian, Paulin - Northumberland, Rutherford - Roxburghshire, Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire, Thomson - Leith & Muthill, Thorney - Herefordshire, Small - Northumberland,

CelticShiv

CelticShiv Report 20 Dec 2007 16:00

ignore the above. I have found why he isnt with Ellen.

He is a patient at Victoria Hospital in Sussex

Name: John Warman
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Patient
Gender: Male
Where born: Thurnham, Kent, England

Civil Parish: All Saints
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Lewes
Sub-registration district: Lewes
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 3a

occupation is a police constable

Researching:
Ashford-Smith, Smith, Clarke - England and Scotland, Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian, Bennett - Devonport, Catleugh & Shiells - East Lothian, Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland, Littlejohns - Plymouth & London, Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras, Michelin - London, Newlands - Midlothian & Fife, Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian, Paulin - Northumberland, Rutherford - Roxburghshire, Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire, Thomson - Leith & Muthill, Thorney - Herefordshire, Small - Northumberland,

CelticShiv

CelticShiv Report 20 Dec 2007 15:55

hmmmm there are two John Warman's in 1901 who are Police Constables. one in Newington London the other in Lee London, but bother are married with other wives?

Researching:
Ashford-Smith, Smith, Clarke - England and Scotland, Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian, Bennett - Devonport, Catleugh & Shiells - East Lothian, Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland, Littlejohns - Plymouth & London, Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras, Michelin - London, Newlands - Midlothian & Fife, Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian, Paulin - Northumberland, Rutherford - Roxburghshire, Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire, Thomson - Leith & Muthill, Thorney - Herefordshire, Small - Northumberland,

CelticShiv

CelticShiv Report 20 Dec 2007 15:49

here is Ellen in 1901 census I think

Name: Ellen Warman
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Wife
Gender: Female
Where born: Banstead, Kent, England

Civil Parish: Rodmell
Ecclesiastical parish: Rodmell St Peter
Town: Rodmell
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Lewes
Sub-registration district: Newhaven
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 19
Household Members: Name Age
Edith Warman 1
Ellen Warman 36
Ethel Warman 6
Frederick Warman 4
William Warman 8


Husband is a policeman, she is not widowed, but he is not at the residence with her.

Researching:
Ashford-Smith, Smith, Clarke - England and Scotland, Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian, Bennett - Devonport, Catleugh & Shiells - East Lothian, Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland, Littlejohns - Plymouth & London, Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras, Michelin - London, Newlands - Midlothian & Fife, Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian, Paulin - Northumberland, Rutherford - Roxburghshire, Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire, Thomson - Leith & Muthill, Thorney - Herefordshire, Small - Northumberland,

CelticShiv

CelticShiv Report 20 Dec 2007 15:00

not sure where the take a look at picture came from lol, i am sure I never added that.

Researching:
Ashford-Smith, Smith, Clarke - England and Scotland, Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian, Bennett - Devonport, Catleugh & Shiells - East Lothian, Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland, Littlejohns - Plymouth & London, Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras, Michelin - London, Newlands - Midlothian & Fife, Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian, Paulin - Northumberland, Rutherford - Roxburghshire, Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire, Thomson - Leith & Muthill, Thorney - Herefordshire, Small - Northumberland,

CelticShiv

CelticShiv Report 20 Dec 2007 14:59

right I think I may have worked out her parents.

Going by the death in 1954 being correct.

This is Ellen Warmans parents marriage:

View Record

Preview
Name: John Warman
Year of Registration: 1891
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Maidstone
County: Kent
Volume: 2a

Take a look at the picture to see even more.

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John Warman
1891 Oct-Nov-Dec Maidstone Kent
Ellen White

then this is probably Ellen their daughters birth: Name: Ellen Warman
Year of Registration: 1902
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Elham
County: Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 1096

and this is Ellen White with parents in 1881

Name: Ellen White
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Alfred
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Thurnham, Kent, England

Civil Parish: Bearsted
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street address: The Old Plantation
Education:

Employment status:

View Image

Registration district: Maidstone
Sub-registration district: Loose
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Alfred White 49
Alfred G. White 13
Alice White 11
Ann White 48
Ellen White 17
Jesse White 6
John White 15
Mary Ann White 8

, going by her death here

10810/1943 WARMAN ELLEN ALFRED ANN MARRICKVILLE from the NSW website.

of course all this will need to be confirmed by ordering certificates.

will see if I can find John on his own going to NSW

Researching:
Ashford-Smith, Smith, Clarke - England and Scotland, Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian, Bennett - Devonport, Catleugh & Shiells - East Lothian, Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland, Littlejohns - Plymouth & London, Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras, Michelin - London, Newlands - Midlothian & Fife, Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian, Paulin - Northumberland, Rutherford - Roxburghshire, Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire, Thomson - Leith & Muthill, Thorney - Herefordshire, Small - Northumberland,

CelticShiv

CelticShiv Report 20 Dec 2007 14:41

I wonder if the father went ahead of them to set up a job and accommodation or was he deceased???

Researching:
Ashford-Smith, Smith, Clarke - England and Scotland, Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian, Bennett - Devonport, Catleugh & Shiells - East Lothian, Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland, Littlejohns - Plymouth & London, Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras, Michelin - London, Newlands - Midlothian & Fife, Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian, Paulin - Northumberland, Rutherford - Roxburghshire, Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire, Thomson - Leith & Muthill, Thorney - Herefordshire, Small - Northumberland,

CelticShiv

CelticShiv Report 20 Dec 2007 14:40

Name: Mrs Ellen WARMAN
Date of departure: 22 July 1921
Port of departure: London
Passenger destination port: Sydney, Australia
Passenger destination: Sydney, Australia
Age: 58
Marital Status:
Sex: Female
Occupation: H'wife
Passenger recorded on: Page 10 of 27
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The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: -
Miss Ellen WARMAN Page 10 of 27 View transcript
Ship:
Official Number:
Master's name:
Steamship Line:
Where bound:
Square feet:
Registered tonnage:
Passengers on voyage:

DEMOSTHENES
129362
G W Bibby
Aberdeen Line
Australia, Australia
18665
7034
1019

Researching:
Ashford-Smith, Smith, Clarke - England and Scotland, Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian, Bennett - Devonport, Catleugh & Shiells - East Lothian, Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland, Littlejohns - Plymouth & London, Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras, Michelin - London, Newlands - Midlothian & Fife, Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian, Paulin - Northumberland, Rutherford - Roxburghshire, Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire, Thomson - Leith & Muthill, Thorney - Herefordshire, Small - Northumberland,

CelticShiv

CelticShiv Report 20 Dec 2007 14:39

not sure if you have this, but think this her and her mother on ship to australia

Name: Miss Ellen WARMAN
Date of departure: 22 July 1921
Port of departure: London
Passenger destination port: Sydney, Australia
Passenger destination: Sydney, Australia
Age: 18
Marital Status:
Sex: Female
Occupation: Assist
Passenger recorded on: Page 10 of 27
Click here to view image
The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: -
Mrs Ellen WARMAN Page 10 of 27 View transcript
Ship:
Official Number:
Master's name:
Steamship Line:
Where bound:
Square feet:
Registered tonnage:
Passengers on voyage:

DEMOSTHENES
129362
G W Bibby
Aberdeen Line
Australia, Australia
18665
7034
1019

Researching:
Ashford-Smith, Smith, Clarke - England and Scotland, Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian, Bennett - Devonport, Catleugh & Shiells - East Lothian, Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland, Littlejohns - Plymouth & London, Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras, Michelin - London, Newlands - Midlothian & Fife, Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian, Paulin - Northumberland, Rutherford - Roxburghshire, Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire, Thomson - Leith & Muthill, Thorney - Herefordshire, Small - Northumberland,

CelticShiv

CelticShiv Report 20 Dec 2007 14:31

could this be her death

Registration Number Last Name Given Name(s) Father's Given Name(s) Mother's Given Name(s) District

19350/1954 GRAY ELLEN JOHN ELLEN MARRICKVILLE

taken from here

http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/IndexSearch?form=IndexingSearch&SessionID=234292&sname=gray&gname=ellen&fname=&mname=&event=deaths&frange=1788&trange=1976&place=&x=73&y=14&page=4

Researching:
Ashford-Smith, Smith, Clarke - England and Scotland, Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian, Bennett - Devonport, Catleugh & Shiells - East Lothian, Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland, Littlejohns - Plymouth & London, Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras, Michelin - London, Newlands - Midlothian & Fife, Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian, Paulin - Northumberland, Rutherford - Roxburghshire, Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire, Thomson - Leith & Muthill, Thorney - Herefordshire, Small - Northumberland,

David

David Report 20 Dec 2007 13:37

Help required to trace the Gray family living in the marrickville area in 1925, JAMES H GRAY MARRIED ELLEN WARMAN in that year ,her mother was also named Ellen and died in 1943 in marrickville .

I have a large hole in the family history for Ellen Warman

after she left England in 1921 so any info will help

david