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i wonder if this is her marriage in 1903, not sure if u have looked at this already.

Marriages Mar 1903 (>99%)
Roberts Elizabeth Emily Marylebone 1a 897

Hi Ben,

Going back to your original question, it is difficult to advise on how to take the search further, because you have looked very comprehensively.

Here are some thoughts (made in sympathy, hope the tone doesn't come over as hectoring!):

1) you suggest trawling the census transcripts for 1891 for the Holborn district - personally, I hate trawling, because there is always the nagging doubt that it is pointless if she moved away (round the world in 80days?) or died or married or her surname is so poor on the census image that it is illegible (NB you say you have tried variants - have you tried looking with no surname, or with no forename?) - also, I have in the back of my mind that each ED is several thousand people!

2) You have looked for Elizabeth Emily Roberts marriages in the Greater London area - since the record on the 1881 census was Eliza M., is there any possibility that her marriage is also recorded as Eliza?

3) I nudged a thread on "cheaper access to certificates" earlier on this evening - Olde Crone had some strong words on the mistranscriptions she found on one marriage certificate, by comparing the documents obtained from the parish copy, the local register office copy, and the GRO copy. Have you considered applying to the local register office(s) to see whether you can find a marriage there?

4) Abducted by aliens - hmm, well in the sense that aliens are simply non-British subjects (!) does anyone in your family have any whisper of any relative who moved overseas?

All the best - it doesn't look like you're going to be finding a quick answer on this one. Over and out.

Hi Siobhan.

Thanks for the EEM Roberts one but having looked, ite image says Elizabeth Emma MacKenzie Roberts so not the right one unfortunately.

If she was a witness to her sister wedding in Holborn in July 1890, she couldnt have gone far as the 1891 census was taken 9 months afterwards.

Ben

there is also this as a possibilty. Perhaps the enumerator put her down wrong.

Name: Eliza A Robb
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Nurse
Gender: Female
Where born: Bow, London, England

Civil Parish: Lewisham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Marks
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Lewisham
Sub-registration district: Lewisham
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Alice G Bell 1
Edith K Bell 2
Esther H Bell 9
Frederick W Bell 40
Margaret R Bell 8
Rebecca Bell 45
Winifred S Bell 6
Florence S Clark 19
Rose Pomfrey 21
Eliza A Robb 25

could this be her in 1891, the age is out by 5 years though. She is a teacher at a school for the deaf and dumb.

Although she is transcribed as Elizabeth E M Roberts. The middle name on the image actually looks like it could be emily.

Name: Elizabeth E M Roberts
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Officer
Gender: Female
Where born: London, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Stretford
Ecclesiastical parish: Stretford St Matthew
Town: Flixton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

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Registration district: Barton Upon Irwell
Sub-registration district: Stretford
ED, institution, or vessel: Manchester Schools for the Deaf and Dumb

Hi all

Thanks for your replies. The one who was a staff nurse looks a good match. Elizabeth didnt have a brother William unfortunately but I shall definately look into the other ones. In 1881 she was a tailoress.

Ben

As others have said, there are many possible listings for your relative on 1891. This one here looks an odd surname, as if there has been some mistranscription (?); but the forename Elizabeth, age 24, place of birth Bow, current residence Islington and occupation (draper's assistant) give a reasonable match.

Name: Elizabeth Brorke
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Female
Where born: Bow, London, England

Civil Parish: Islington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabus
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Highbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 36
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Anna M Baker 28
Elizabeth Brorke 24 <<<<<<
Lucy Brown 23
Eliza Griggs 26
Mary Hayman 38
Grace Holloway 39
Annie E Upton 28
Ernest J Walter 1
George Walter 38
Janet A Walter 32
William G Walter 5

However, the most likely mistranscription is for Brooke, not Roberts.

Could this be Elizabeth's birth?

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1983
about Elizabeth Roberts
Name: Elizabeth Roberts
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Year of Registration: 1911
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 44
District: Hackney
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 596 (click to see others on page)

Here are some possibilities for 1891.

1891 England Census
about Elizabeth Roberts
Name: Elizabeth Roberts
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Hooton, London, England

Civil Parish: Hornsey
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Hornsey
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Edmonton
Sub-registration district: Hornsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred Thomas Child 23
Arthur W Child 26
Emma E Child 60
Eva Ruth Child 20
Henry Child 57
Joseph A E Child 28
Mary Sarah Child 25
Rachael Child 58
Rachael E Child 31
Zilla H Child 21
Elizabeth Roberts 22

1891 England Census
about Emily Roberts
Name: Emily Roberts
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Nictoria Park, London, England

Civil Parish: Islington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Augustines
Town: Highbury
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Highbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Edith Bayley 19
Asher Everley 61
Emily Everley 43
Geoffrey Everley 3
Ivy Everley 9
Kathleen Everley 7
Norah Everley 12
Samuel Everley 17
Sophia Everley 20
Alice Roberts 20
Emily Roberts 23
Sarah Williams 50

Was there a brother William?

1891 England Census
about Bessie Roberts
Name: Bessie Roberts
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Sister
Gender: Female
Where born: London, England

Civil Parish: Hornsey
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Hornsey
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Edmonton
Sub-registration district: Hornsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Annie Roberts 30
Bessie Roberts 23
William B Roberts 29
William G Roberts 2

there is this one in 1901, although it is transcribed as 1878, her age is definately 33 in 1901, making her born approx 1868.

Name: Emily Elizabeth Roberts
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Staff Nurse (Staff)
Gender: Female
Where born: Clapton, London, England

Civil Parish: Isleworth
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Isleworth
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Brentford
Sub-registration district: Isleworth
ED, institution, or vessel: Brentford Union Workhouse Infirmary
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1

Hi

My ggg aunty Elizabeth Emily Goodacre Roberts was born on the 24th December 1867 in Old Ford, Bow, London, daughter of Thomas Roberts and his wife Mary Ann nee Walder. She was still living with her parents in the 1881 census in Holborn, London, aged 14, a tailoress.

Elizabeth witnessed her sister Kate Roberts wedding in 1886 and her sister Margaret Minnie Roberts wedding on 7 July 1890 at St Alban The Martyr, Holborn, London. Margaret and her husband Charles Anstey's addresses was given as 31 and 33 Portpool Lane. The Ansteys were mistranscribed as Asher on the 1891 census of Clerkenwell. Elizabeth would have been 22 by then and signed her name as "Elizabeth Emily Roberts".

Her mum died in 1886 in 25 Evelyn Buildings, Holborn and her dad died in 1889 in Holborn Infirmary, Islington, formerly of 25 Evelyn Buildings according to death cert.

However I am having a job and a half trying to locate her after she witnessed her sisters wedding in July 1890. Her brother Frederick William Roberts wed in 1890 in Clerkenwell, and her other sister Harriet Ada Roberts wed in Clerkenwell in 1900. I cannot find Elizabeth on the 1891 census taken 5 April, only 9 months after she witnessed her sisters wedding. I have tried all forename, surname variants, and birthplaces on 1891 to no avail. I have also looked at any Elizabeth or Emily Roberts marriages in the Islington and Holborn districts and cross referenced all spouses and looked them up on the 1891 and 1901 census, and none of the birthplaces match.

I have also checked any Elizabeth Roberts deaths in London 1890-1900 who were born inbetween 1866 and 1871 to no avail either. All her other siblings are accountered for. I have looked at all avenues to no avail. What if I did a blanket search of the 1891 census for the Holborn areas of the actual scanned original images as the electronic indexes arent always reliable?

I have also checked all Elizabeth Emily Roberts marriages in Greater London 1890-1904.

Please help me out of a very tight situation. I know every single detail on her parents and siblings after July 1890, but not Elizabeth Emily, yet I know her DOB, that is a start.

I hope she wasnt abducted by alien E.T's ggreat grandfather lol lol.


Thanks

Ben