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Butch
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2 Jan 2008 23:46 |
Dea. I wondered how you found out about the ship they sailed on. What sort of search systems do you use? should I be joining others, but if so which ones,I would be so greatful for your help Eil x
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Butch
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29 Dec 2007 15:34 |
I would like to thank you all for all the help, it will enable me to get a lot more understanding of my Family and the system (I hope) Thanks Eileen
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Dea
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29 Dec 2007 11:58 |
Ships's passenger list for the 'Eagle I' shows the return details for:
Mrs Perrin (age 28) with infant (age 1) also Fred aged 7 and Frank aged 4.
So - we know when they came back - June, 1859.
I will see if I can find out when they went - it has to be after August 1853 (when Frederick was christened), and before c 1856 (when Frank was born)
Dea x
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Pam
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29 Dec 2007 09:56 |
Frank and Hannah's marriage ?
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Sep 1878 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bradshaw Sarah Jane Ashton 8d 649 CLAYTON Ellis Ashton 8d 649 Dixon Alice Ann Ashton 8d 649 >>>PERRIN Frank William Ashton 8d 649 >>>WOOLLEY Hannah Ashton 8d 649
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Dea
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29 Dec 2007 08:46 |
And there's more.........
Sarah Huxton married Josiah Perrin - June Q 1852 - ref Altrincham 8a 250
She must therefore have gone to Australia after this and returned before 1861.
Dea x
P.S. - both Sarah and Josiah are easily found with their respective parents and siblings on 1851 census. - Haven't yet found any details on their travels to Australia.
Dea x
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Dea
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29 Dec 2007 08:39 |
From the above - there is a marriage March Q 1862 for Peter Higginbottom to Sarah Perrin - ref Ashton 8d 609.
Cheshire Bmd shows that Sarah's previous name was Sarah HUXTON.
Dea x
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Dea
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29 Dec 2007 08:31 |
Checking further, now his birth date is consistant at c 1856 - he is simple to trace back all census -
1861 - he is with his widdowed mother Sarah + siblings Frederick (7) and Louisa Elizabeth (2)
1871 - again with these siblings in Cheshire - his mother has now remarried to Peter Higginbottom and there are a further 2 little 'half-brothers'
His death is registered Ashton-u-Lyne March Q 1899.
Dea x
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Dea
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29 Dec 2007 07:59 |
If you examine the page on 1891 census - I believe it says his age is 35 !!
Examine the curves on all the 3's and 5's on the page - to me this is very clearly a 3 - the 3's have a slight loop joining the two curves, whereas this is not present on any of the 5's - also there is no line to the top which would be there if it were a 5.
Compare it particularly to the age of Sarah Jane Bateman - 32 - towards the bottom of the page.
I hope this helps.
Dea x
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JaneyCanuck
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29 Dec 2007 01:57 |
The two Frank Perrin records, for info.
1881:
Name: Frank W. Perrin Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Hannah Gender: Male Where born: Victoria, Australia Street address: National School Condition as to marriage: Married Occupation: Certificable Schoolmaster
1891:
Name: Frank Perrin Age: 55 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Hannah Gender: Male Where born: Victoria, Australia
Those are what the ages look like on both census records.
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***Michelle***
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29 Dec 2007 01:53 |
Hannah's husband was Frank W Perrin based on Kathyrn B thread and was born in Victoria-Australia
1881 England Census about Hannah Perrin Name: Hannah Perrin Age: 28 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Frank W. Gender: Female Where born: Hyde, Cheshire, England Civil Parish: Wootton County/Island: Lincolnshire Country: England Street address: National School Condition as to marriage: Married Education:
Employment status: View Image Occupation: Sewing Mistress (Teach) Registration district: Glanford Brigg Sub-registration district: Barton ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Edward J. Perrin 1 Frank W. Perrin 25 Hannah Perrin 28 May A. Poole 13
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JaneyCanuck
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29 Dec 2007 01:52 |
So in 1881:
Name: Hannah Perrin Age: 28 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Frank W. Where born: Hyde, Cheshire, England Civil Parish: Wootton County/Island: Lincolnshire Country: England Street address: National School Condition as to marriage: Married Occupation: Sewing Mistress (Teach) Registration district: Glanford Brigg Sub-registration district: Barton ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Edward J. Perrin 1 Frank W. Perrin 25 - certificated schoolmaster Hannah Perrin 28 May A. Poole 13
So isn't this her in 1891, right where she belongs?
Name: Hannah Perrin Age: 39 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Frank Where born: Hyde, Cheshire, England Civil Parish: St John Ecclesiastical parish: St John Town: Godley County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Registration district: Ashton Under Lyne Sub-registration district: Newton ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Edward Perrin 11 Frank Perrin 55 Gertrude Perrin 6 Hannah Perrin 39 Helen Perrin 7 Maury Perrin 4 Mirian Perrin 9 Winefred Perrin 2
Husband Frank's age has changed rather drastically ... but he seems to be the same person: born in Victoria, Australia.
(Letting on about these little details surely does help when trying to find people in censuses. *You* may know where they all were in 1881, e.g., but giving a bit of guidance about places and personal details makes it easier to hunt for someone in a specific year, rather than having to hunt them down in other years first to get the details needed for hunting for them ...)
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JaneyCanuck
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29 Dec 2007 01:45 |
Well it took a bit to connect those dots!
Hannah was a little older than you think, it seems; here they are in 1901:
Name: Hannah Perrin Age: 48 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853 Relation: Head Where born: Hyde, Cheshire, England Civil Parish: Godley Ecclesiastical parish: Godley County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Registration district: Ashton-under-Lyne Sub-registration district: Newton ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Household schedule number: 89
Edward J Perrin 21 Gertrude A Perrin 16 Gordon Perrin 5 Hannah Perrin 48 Helen Perrin 17 Maurice Perrin 14 Miriam E Perrin 19 Winifred M Perrin 12
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***Michelle***
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29 Dec 2007 01:14 |
Hi Eileen Was your great grandmothers married name Perrin?If not what was her married name and which census year did you get the record on your thread from?Send a reply and i will see if i can help.
Michelle
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Butch
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29 Dec 2007 00:39 |
In the census I can find my great grandmother and her 7 children my great grandfather is also there but I cannot read his name or place of birth, can anybody help ! My great grandmother is Hannah Perrin born1861/2 in Hyde Cheshire, some of her children were- Helen, Edward,Gertrude and Gordon. Help would be very much welcomed as I am quite new to all this. Regards Eileen.
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