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thanks very much k i thought i was going round the bend. glad to c i'm not.
julie

No wonder you are confused - there are two Richard Jones with a wife Pheobe of about the right age in the 1891 Census in the area and the one reasonably easy to find in the 1881 Census is the wrong one with different children.

I have listed I hope your family in 1891 and the same family on 1881 and 1871 with Richard's father. I have also attached the 1861 Census

1891

Name: Richard Jones
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Phoebe
Gender: Male
Where born: Tipton, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Norton Canes
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: Norton Canes
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Cannock
Sub-registration district: Cannock
ED, institution, or vessel: 32
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Jones 17
Mary Jones 11
Phoebe Jones 44
Richard Jones 45
Sarah A Jones 19
Susan Jones 8
William H Jones 15

1881

Name: Rd. Jones
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Phoebe
Gender: Male
Where born: Dudley Port, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Norton Canes
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address: Hednesford Rd
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Colliery Engine Driver

Registration district: Cannock
Sub-registration district: Cannock
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Jos. Jones 7
Leah S. Jones 11
Mary J. Jones 2
Phoebe Jones 33
Rd. Jones 34 Colliery Engine Driver
Sarah A. Jones 9
Thos. Jones 12
Wm. H. Jones 4

All children born Norton Canes

1871

Name: Richard Jones
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Phoebe
Father's Name: Thomas
Gender: Male
Where born: Dudley Port, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Norton Canes
Ecclesiastical parish: Norton Canes
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: Colliery Engine Driver

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Penkridge
Sub-registration district: Cannock
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 121
Household Members: Name Age
Leah Sophia Jones 1
Phoebe Jones 23
Richard Jones 24
Thomas Jones 2
Thomas Jones 54 Father Coal Miner bWillenhall

1861

me: Thomas Jones
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1817
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sophia
Gender: Male
Where born: Willenhall, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Norton
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Penkridge
Sub-registration district: Cannock
ED, institution, or vessel: 15b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 55
Household Members: Name Age
John Jones 22 b Bilston Coal Miner
Richard Jones 14 b Dudley Port Dock Lab
Sophia Jones 42 b Dudley Port
Thomas Jones 44 Coal Miner


Possible christening

RICHARD JONES Pedigree
Male
Event(s):
Birth: 01 SEP 1846

Christening: 25 OCT 1846 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester, England

Parents:
Father: THOMAS JONES Family
Mother: SOPHIA

lucy alice ansell ages 21 at time of marriage july 1903 in cannock place of residence norton cannes father william ansell labourer.
joseph jones 29 yrs at time of marriage from norton cannes father richard jones engine driver. found them in the census for 1901 1891 looking the same but 1881 says richard was born in a different area this also shows in the igi.
hope this helps
julie

For reference this looks like the marraige that Julie is referring to

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1903 (>99%)

>>ANSELL Lucy Alice Cannock 6b 891
>>JONES Joseph Cannock 6b 891
TAYLOR Alice Cannock 6b 891
Whitehouse Isaiah Cannock 6b 891

Can you give us more information, like how old these people were and what census you are looking at?

When did Lucy and Joseph marry and how old were they at the time? What was the occupation of Joseph and his father?

Sam x

after help finding the marriage of lucy alice ansell and jospeh jones i ordered their marriage certificate and got there fathers names. this helped me find the family of lucy alice ansell in the census. however i found jospeh jones dad was richard jones married to pheobe in norton canes cannock but the family looks confusing in the different census for family members and where richard was born. is it two familys or just one with a bit of confusion and help i wopuld be grateful
julie