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Again I will check to see whether the same Father's name is showing for the Marriage in 1903.Although there is a Deeath showing for a George Farringotn in 1904 in the Wrexham District,this one is showing as born in c 1848.

Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.

If so, it looks like he married in 1903 -- pretty unusual name in those parts:


Name: George Farrington
Year of Registration: 1903
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Wrexham (1837-1974)
County: Cheshire, Denbighshire, Flintshire
Volume: 11b
Page: 470


but no children seem to have ensued, unless the Farrington birth registered in Wrexham in 1904 is not part of same batch as the others born before 1903.

Meanwhile, I wonder whether this might be George in 1901:



Name: George Farrington
Age in 1901: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Bagley, Shropshire, England

Civil Parish: Marchwiel
Ecclesiastical parish: Marchweil
Town: Marchwiel
County/Island: Denbighshire
Country: Wales

Occupation: Groom & gardener - Domestic

Registration district: Wrexham
Sub-registration district: Holt
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 73

No Farrington children registered in Corwen 1900-1920 (as so far transcribed -- could have been kids after the marriage who aren't transcribed yet).

But only two Hilda Roberts-s, one of which would seem likely to be Yvonne's:

Hilda Roberts 1907 Oct-Nov-Dec Corwen Denbighshire, Merionethshire
Hilda Myfanwy Roberts 1904 Jan-Feb-Mar Corwen Denbighshire, Merionethshire

Couldn't find a twin "J" in either case though.

Will wait with bated breath for William's report ...

Oh well done William, I hope Yvonne is pleased with that :)

1917! Wow, a long time after Yvonne expected. I wonder if we have another spouse in the shadows for all that time? So was she with George when those children were born? Do you have any of the birth certificates Yvonne?

Local knowledge triumphs again!I first found the Marriage on North Wales BMD in 1917 at St Collen's Llangollen.I then found the equivalent in the GRO Marriage Index,in the July Quarter,Corwen Registration District,Reference is 11b,page 515.I'll tell you what I'll do with you,as it obviously took place in Church,I'll find out the father's names tomorrow for you,at the Rhosymedre Resource Centre of Clwyd FHS,by Looking up the Hayes Marriage Index.

Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham

Id already searched for that Kath and Id realised it had 2 rs but no luck. As I said, think all Yvonne can do now is look for the birth cert for Ellen - hopefully that one mentioned on freebmd in the same reg district.

Know the feeling - even if I am getting RSI doing this instead and worrying about the pains in my legs!

Searched at

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

for a marriage, anytime 1900-1915, anywhere, of

George Far*ngton
(you spelled it with one "r" and two "r"s, Yvonne; proofread!!!!!)
Ellen Roberts


There wasn't one. It looks like Ellen may have formed a family with George, but not married him.

Oh duh. I missed the line where you said you did that already, Heather.

Desperate to avoid work ...

You cant really search any further without buying that certificate.

thanks very much for your help, i will keep searching,thanks again yvonne

I could go on guessing backwards but it would be wrong for me to do so!

You need to get the marriage cert - but it doesnt appear to be around or the birth cert of Ellen to prove who her parents are and then work backwards. Ill have another look for the marriage but the births you gave arent coming up and Im wondering if she did in fact get married to Mr Farrington or she married him much later than you believe.

Sorry, Ive looked up to 1920 on freebmd (you can always search that site yourself free) and there is no sign of a Farrington/Roberts marriage). It isnt complete - you may need a pay to view site.

Te Ellens birth cert - there are dozens of Ellen Roberts born that year - and the quarters before and after 1875 - you may want to have a look yourself as I dont know the area well enough to narrow it down to the likely one - though I noticed one born Corwen and that seems to be the reg district on those census images. Sorry I couldnt be of more help. Is there anyway you can get more information from any living relatives to narrow this all down?

1881 closest match - mum is a widow working as a charwoman

Name: Ellen Roberts
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Female
Where born: Llangollen, Denbighshire, Wales

Civil Parish: Llangollen - Trevor Uchaf
County/Island: Denbighshire
Country: Wales

Street address: 2 Trevor Sq
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Corwen
Sub-registration district: Llangollen
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Amelia Roberts 1
Elizabeth Roberts 13
Ellen Roberts 6
Margt. Roberts 8
Mary Roberts 32
Winifred Roberts 3

1891 - closest match age/place of birth

Name: Ellen Roberts
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Llangollen, Denbighshire, Wales

Civil Parish: Llangollen
Ecclesiastical parish: Llangollen
Town: Llangollen
County/Island: Denbighshire
Country: Wales

Street address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Corwen
Sub-registration district: Llangollen
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Humphreys 36
John R Humphreys 32
Ellen Roberts 17

So this is her in 1901 yes? A charwomen living at Mill Street Square? So if you knew she was alone on the 1901 why did you think the twins were born in 1900?

Name: Ellen Roberts
Age in 1901: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation: Head
Where born: Llangollen, Denbighshire, Wales

Civil Parish: Llangollen
Ecclesiastical parish: Llangollen St Collen
Town: Llangollen
County/Island: Denbighshire
Country: Wales

Street address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Corwen
Sub-registration district: Llangollen
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 13
Household Members: Name Age
Albert Roberts 2
Ellen Roberts 26



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my grandfather name was william albert henry, shows up as albert on census

my gandfather was born july 1899,he was born to ellen roberts showing on1901 census as a single mother, this much i know,
i dont know when george farrington came into the picture, dates of children are only a guess

Twins! If they were born 1900 they should be on the 1901.

Im afraid they arent showing as Farrington - are we sure of the date/place of birth? When was your grandfather born?

i believe the first ones were twins hilda and a j ( dont kno the name ) they were born in 1900, born in llangollen

Who is the first kiddie and when/where was he born to them? Yvonne, to add furher info - click on the add reply, put the new info in the new box and then click submit.

Have you got Ellen's marriage certificate to George? That will give you her fathers name and make it easier to find her on a census before her marriage.

When/where did they marry?

Sam x