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pmsl, hey, perhaps the Moncks were related to the Burtts. Well Ernest did come to Australia didn't he? heeeee

Yes, well ... Ernest Monck was a cook and so was his non-existent father Francis Monck ... while Ada Monck's identical non-existent father was a gentleman. ;)

In 1901 there are 25 Burtts in Sunbury & Queens county, New Brunswick, including mother Elizabeth from the 1851 household. There doesn't seem to be one to match up to that John W in 1851.

Clutching at straws, eh?

Ooo, thanks, Kathryn, I'll take a look see at that. I know that John was a coach builder and so apparently was his father. Well, I must be off and mow the lawn before it takes over the house! thanks again for your help. Always appreciated
Lewella x

I've been checking Canadian records too (which I can actually look at, unlike US records where I'm stuck with guesswork).

It might have been more glamorous to say one was from Philadelphia than to say one was from Moncton, for example. Or the family could have relocated to Pennsylvania and then to Australia. Or Philadelphia might just have been where he left for Australia from ... Just remotish possibilities, in aid of considering all of them.



1851 Census of Canada East, Canada West, New Brunswick, and Nova Scotia

Name: John W Burtt
Gender: Male
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation to Head of House: Son
Province: New Brunswick
District: Sunbury County
Sub-District: Blissville
Sub-District Number: 72
Page: 17
Line: 8
Roll: C_996
Schedule: I


Burtts were thick on the ground in New Brunswick in 1851. This is that household:


George Burtt New Brunswick, Sunbury County, Blissville abt 1814
Elizabeth Burtt New Brunswick, Sunbury County, Blissville abt 1825
John W Burtt New Brunswick, Sunbury County, Blissville abt 1845
Sefrona Burtt New Brunswick, Sunbury County, Blissville abt 1847
Thomas C Burtt New Brunswick, Sunbury County, Blissville


The census doesn't have household composition or page lists; you have to look at each one individually.


If you go here:

http://content.ancestry.ca/iexec/?htx=List&dbid=1061&offerid=0%3a7858%3a0

you can do the search -- say, Burtt, New Brunswick. You get the same list I do, it just doesn't show the township name. The good thing is that the search results are sorted by household, not name, so you can get an idea of who the heads of household are etc.

No Samuel & Eliza to match up though (also searching by possible misspellings / mistranscriptions).

Hee, I was off scouring the US censuses for Burtts. ;)

Sent you a message --

A few weeks ago I noticed someone in the birth index named Mafeking. Just searched the births at Ancestry -- there were literally hundreds of the [little ones] registered in 1900, and a few later.

So I tried Transvaal -- and sure enough, starting in 1899, about 50+ of them. Methinks this is the source of the name -- that fine Victorian love of Queen and country, and all things Empire. Yathinks?


But no, I haven't found anything. It's nice that the US has censuses way back, but annoying that they only show heads of household in the early ones. If a married couple was living with parents of one of them, e.g., they won't show up.

John Transvaal Burtt was born in Australia in 1900, Kathryn, but his grandfather, John Walter Burtt, stated when he married Elizabeth Ann Taylor in Australia in 1869 that he was from Philadelphia (born 1842) and that his father was Samuel Alfred Burtt, mother Eliza Morris.

If you could find anything, I'd be eternally grateful, because none of the Burtt descendents has had any luck!