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ok thanks for all your help and the information on what to do next.

Stacey

Got your PMs -- and here's the bottom line. ;)

I'm probably no real use to you at all, since what you really want to find is family in England. You've done well so far by finding the births in the next generation.

Given the era of those births, the 19-teens, at least a couple of them should have died between 1984 and 2005, and that index is readily searchable at Ancestry. Then certs, and the surnames, could give you some more to go on.

Problem with the girls is that their surname would have changed, so having either their marriages or their exact DOBs would be necessary.

You can trawl through the untranscribed marriage index at Ancestry looking for marriages and/or get their birth certs, and then I'll be happy to check the deaths if you don't have access. Just stick the info in this thread if and when you get it, and we'll all see it.

This could be him i have no other information & didn't even know they had an older step-brother until i looked at the census. He wasn't listed on the 1901 census either that i could find.

just me confusing myself again. Friday afternoon ...

confused myself and posted twice ...

i have seen the records on the Home Children page also. Nothing seems to fit with William but according to the census info is says that they came to canada in 1896.

Just in case you don't have the records; still not sure.


This could be Alfred:


Name: DORAN
Given Name: Alfred
Age: 7
Sex: M
Ship: Parisian
Year of Arrival: 1897
Departure Port: Liverpool
Departure Date: 08 July 1897
Arrival Port: Quebec
Arrival Date: 17 July 1897
Party: Mrs Birt's
Destination: Knowlton, Quebec
Comments: Party of 57 children.
Source: Library and Archives Canada/Bibliothèque et Archives Canada
Reference: RG76 C 1 a
Microfilm: C-4541
Type of Record: Passenger Lists/Listes de passagers
Group of Children Traveling Together


but there isn't a good match for William, other than one aged 11 in 1906.


Aha, this is them in 1911:

Name: William Doran
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Age: 20
Birth Date: Sep 1890
Birthplace: England
Family Number: 5
Relation to Head of House: Lodger
Immigration Year: 1895 <<
Tribal: English
Province: Ontario
District: Thunder Bay and Rainy River
District Number: 123
Sub-District Number: 6
Place of Habitation: Sunshine
Census Year: 1911
Page: 2

Name: Alpherd Doran
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Age: 22
Birth Date: Oct 1888
Birthplace: England
Family Number: 5
Relation to Head of House: Lodger
Immigration Year: 1896 <<
Tribal: English
Province: Ontario
District: Thunder Bay and Rainy River
District Number: 123
Sub-District Number: 6
Place of Habitation: Sunshine
Census Year: 1911
Page: 2


You know all this; I'm just trying to situate myself in time ... for no particular reason ...

Sorry, it was my Grandfather William Robert Doran and His brother Alfred James Doran who came to Canada as young boys, their mother Agnes Ashford nee Dunn came to visit one year when they were older & married. Agnes was previously married to their father William James Doran. i'm not sure what year she came to visit but my oldest aunt would have been born in 1915 and she remembered her being here. My Grandfather William was born 03 Sept 1890 in Toxteth Park & his brother Alfred was born 03 Oct 1888. They also had a step-brother born out of wedlock named Joseph Dunn born in appr 1885. I'm not sure what happened to Joseph as he dosen't appear on the 1901 Census of Toxteth Park either. William & Alfred lived the rest of their lives in Canada.

You probably don't need the certificates -- although they would give you exact dates of birth, and for women, you can search the post-1984 death index by given names + birthdate alone and might be able to identify a death, if they died during that period.

I really just still don't understand who came to Canada and who didn't. Somebody might be able to help a little bit more if we were clearer on that. There seem to be two Lucys in play here as well ...

... From searching trees and seeing who you have, it would be William Taggart and Marian Doran who came to Canada?

I'm not seeing matches for them in passenger lists at

http://www.findmypast.com/passengerListPersonSearchStart.action

(although there's a Doran no first name in 1930)

Have you tried there?

That wouldn't be especially useful info I suppose, but might given you a timeframe of sorts.

thank you Kathryn

I had found Marian, William & Agnes
but hadn't found the ones for Lilian or Lucy yet. i believe that they were all born in Toxteth Park.

I will order the certificates soon.

http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/archivianet/home-children/001015-100.01-e.php


Neither your Taggart nor your Doran is listed in the records of child immigrants to Canada / Home children -- if they're the names you gave in your first post. But later records are more incomplete, I believe.

You're probably familiar with that site, but just in case.

I'm not quite clear on who the children who came to Canada are, actually.

Did you have the names in those lists of births from FreeBMD already?

Just for ref, these seem to be the two batches of kids:

Births Dec 1915
Doran Marian E Jones Toxteth P 8b 241
Births Sep 1919
Doran Lilian Jones Toxteth P. 8b 325

Births Sep 1914
TAGGART William H R Doran Toxteth P. 8b 308
Births Mar 1916
Taggart Agnes Doran Toxteth P. 8b 250
Births Dec 1919
Taggart Lucy A Doran Toxteth P. 8b 366

with the overlapping births in West Derby not being yours, presumably.

Thank you Wayne for clearing that up.

Stacey

Well, were not sure that the brothers were home children, but at the age they came to Canada it only makes sense. they were aprox ages 6 & 8 yrs of age when they came to Canada. My older aunts remember their grandmother coming to visit, she started to steal stuff & their mother said she would have to leave. i have a cousin who has some information that her mother had, but we haven't been able to get together to go over it yet. My grandfather always said that they were sent here to work. i have birth certificates for my grandfather & his brother Alfred, Robert & sister Lucy and also their marriage certificates and birth certificates for the daughter & son i listed of Robert & Lucy, but until the new census comes out i'm at a standstill with finding all the descendents of Lucy & Robert who stayed in England.

btw, are you descended from one of the Home Children? I'm not, but some of my mother's cousins are -- her aunt married a Charlie Smith, and his kids always understood that was just a made-up name and he didn't know his family. I found his marriage at ancestry.ca, and it gave his parents' names, and he was indeed Charles Smith, and I've found some ancestors in the censuses ...

Have you been in touch with Barnardo's, if that was the organization they came with? And various groups working to reunite Home Children's descendants with families? If you're a direct descendant, or someone in your family is, you should be able to get access to records - although it sounds like maybe you already have, or they wouldn't tell you more than you know.

Now now, backhanded compliments. Wayne is a good buddy of mine. Here he is, greeting a newcomer:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=992435

Laugh with us:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=991602

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=991534


Kathryn
in Ontario

Thank you for your reply Kathryn you've been very helpful and informative.

Stacey

You have not made any reference to your other thread therefore will end up with several people all doing the same work. This in turn will alienate people and mean those like myself are less inclined to help you.
This is nothing personal but when you help as many people as we all help we do not appreciate finding out we've spent 4 hours looking for your relatives only to find out someone else in another thread has already found them.
Please read all the threads related to Newbies and first postings.

I hope you don't take this too personally, but you really need to give us all the facts before we can start to help... that includes the fact you have multiply posted this request

Regards

You are a member of a club of hundreds, Stacey. The fault lies with the site management, which is obviously aware of all the site's problems (this is just one of them) and does nothing about them, while relying on the unpaid labour to bring in the membership fees.

I can't find the other thread, so in case no one has said this:


http://www.freebmd.org.uk


do two searches for births

surname: Taggart
mother: Doran

surname: Doran
mother: Jones


You'll get several births in Toxteth Park, which are likely all children of your two couples.

That will give you more names to be looking for, if nothing else!

Ok, Sorry about that it was not my intention. i just wanted the most people to see the information. i havn't posted many messages on the site & didn't know that.

Stacey