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I have a few illegitimacys in my tree, my ggrandmother didn't put a fathers name on her 2 marriages as she didn't know it. One gggrandmother put her grand father down, one just made a name up.
Most put Deceased as well, so no questions are asked.

My mother give up my half brother, my grand mother desperately tried to keep him, but my mother didn't want him and my grand father ( he really was a wonderful and caring man to us) wouldn't have any of it and the baby was taken away. That could be why your grand mother was given away, no fault of her own, just circumstances at the time.

Chris

i suppose i should be grateful that at least the father is named so i can now finally start on that branch of my tree.

dont think i will every find out why my nan was put in a home unless now haveing the information i need to do my tree leads to me being able to make contact with other family members who may know the reason why.
hopefully one of her two sister have got a child or grandchild doing there tree and makes contact.

thank you everyone for your help

yes its the same today my partner had to come with me to register our boys or other wise i couldnt of had them in his name as we are not married.

so my nans dad must of been there when the birth was registered because he is named as father but my nan has her mum husbands surname.

mybe back then you couldn't give the kids dads surname if the mum was married to someone else but could still have named on cert.

im 23 so i only know the rules of registering births now days

But do you have to prove you are married to the father before you can register a birth. Or do/did you just go and register the child as the mother.

We hear on this site that some have invented a fathers name on marriage certs to save face.
Certainly on census that is the case which I found after getting a birth cert.

The"father" on the census was her grandfather. Hope there wasnt incest involved. Only the mother would know the truth.

I have a half brother,my mother was already married to my father, but they were living in different parts of the country. She was living with the father of the child, so he went with her to register the birth, he is on the certificate. He later left them both.

If the natural father isn't the husband of the woman, he cannot be put on the birth certificate unless he is there to sign, that is why there are blanks on most illegitimate childrens birth certs. I'm not sure how it works in recent years, someone will probably be able to tell us.

Chris

On re-registration -- I found someone a couple of weeks ago who was re-registered at the age of 23!

But you're right, if she was fostered (or adopted?), not too likely.

i have found her mums first marriage

edith roberts
clarence hankinson
oct-nov-dec doncaster 1922

so she had my nan 9 years later with a different man
i will now see if i can find if he died befor or after edith roberts went with another man

thanks margaret

if she is re-registered would they have still done it if they was married at least 10 years after her birth by witch time she would of already been fostered out to another family. or would they of not bothered

just to add. My mum was born before her parents married. She is registered twice under her fathers surname and mothers name. Her mother was a widow

i have just checked for another registration but can't find one.
its more than likely she is illegitimate that might be why she was put in to a home.

Any chance there's more than one registration of the same birth -- as Knowles, e.g.? That sometimes happened, I think.

That's pretty much what it looks like, yes indeed.

I'm surprised that a different father's name could be given for the child of a married woman. The presumption of legitimacy usually applies to prevent a child being called illegitimate without some sort of proceeding. I'm not up on the English rules of the era, though.

The birth reg would also look like that if she were a widow and had not married the father of the child. I forget ... is that more likely the case? If so, the registration would be perfectly proper, and the father would have had to attend the registration or swear in writing to paternity, as I understand it from reading posts on the Tips board today. ;)

hi kathryn

just got my nan's birth cert through and its very intresting it says as follows

birth 28 jan 1931
name kathleen j hankinson
farther thomas henry knowles
mother edith evelyn hankinson formerly roberts

does this mean she was married to a hankinson but had her child by a knowles but couldnt give them his name because of not being married to him but was allowed to name him as father.

please let me know if this is right as im a bit confused of how the law worked back then

today i carnt seem to find anything new out about them.

i think i will just have to wait and see if that lady replys untill the bith cert arrives and then i will be able to check if anyone has there parents in there tree and go from there.

as soon as i know anything more i will let everyone know.

thanks for all your help.

just finished going through them all and no other oakey has died befor 1983 other than that one in 1963.
if in a couple of days i dont get no reply from the other tree owner i think i will have to send for there marriage cert to see if she did marry a man twice her age,if she did i will have to then see if she remarried from 1963 onwards.

but firstly tomorrow i will check to see if he has died since 1983.

going to bed now but will check back tomorrow afternoon.

i couldn't find anythning on freebmd so im serching through all the originals one by one.

I wondered whether this birth might be related, and possibly an error in the GRO:


Name: Oakley Jozef Booth
Mother's Maiden Surname: Booth
Date of Registration: Apr 2004
Registration district: Stoke On Trent
Registration county (inferred): Staffordshire
Register number: C112F
District and Subdistrict: 737/1C
Entry Number: 112


Mother not married, unfortunately, and the birth is too recent to be able to get the certificate, as I understand it. Possibly a newspaper birth announcement though?


FreeBMD has no Oakey (or Oakley) Booth being born, marrying or dying. And no Oakey-Booth marriage, which could have explained the name.

the marriage was 1957.

just found an oakey booth died doncaster 1963 but it has his age as 75 seems just a bit to old for her to of married him it might be his father so im gonna keep checking to see if i find another oakey

Someone has in a tree at GR:

Oakey Booth 1919 WORKSOP Nottinghamshire England

Steph -- what year was that marriage??

"Oakey Booth" was the husband's name? A bit of an odd one ...