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Hi,
I have now found my Albert Baker the son he was living with Rose's parents and siblings on the 1901.I was wandering if anyone could find the family claire found for me, on the 1871 as I have found them on the 1891 and 1901 and claire found them for me on the 1881. I have found the childrens baptisms now and Eliza was baptised in Pagham, Sussex in January 1871 and so should be with George and Ellen Phillips, but I couldn't find them. They were living in Aldwick, Sussex at the time of the baptism.
Thanks for any help.
Clare

Hi Claire,
Thanks for those, they look very interesting, I wonder why I didn't find these earlier the nearest ones I found were out Hove way and I wasn't convinced these look much more promising. Will study them properly once I've put the little one to bed. I hope to go back to the records office on thursday so hopefully I can follow this up then.
Thanks again.
Clare

Dad's an ag lab but by 1891 he's a carter! Perhaps Midburot should read Midhurst?

The 1881 Census
1881 England Census
about Rosa Philps
Name: Rosa Philps
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: George
Mother's Name: Ellen
Gender: Female
Where born: Chithurst, Sussex, England

Civil Parish: Didling
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Street address: Village
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Midhurst
Sub-registration district: Harting
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Blanche Philps 2
Eliza Philps 10
Ellen Philps 34
George Philps 47
John Philps 4
Rosa Philps 7

This could be her

1891 England Census
about Rose Philips
Name: Rose Philips
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Midburot, Sussex, England

Civil Parish: Harting
Ecclesiastical parish: Harting
Town: Harting
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Midhurst
Sub-registration district: Harting
ED, institution, or vessel: 4

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Update
Managed to get the marriage details of Albert Baker to Rose Phillips today. They married on 4th July 1891 in Harting, Sussex. Albert was 27 Bachelor of West Harting. Rose Phillips was 19 spinster of Uppark, Sussex. His father George Baker, Carpenter.
Her father George Phillips, Carter. Have managed to follow Albert back through all the census but am struggling to be able to do the same for Rose. Could someone please take a look for me and see what they can come up with found a couple of Rose's in sussex with father George but none definately tie in with the Harting area.
Thanks for any help.
Clare

P.S. I have now found Albert Baker father on the 1901 back with his parents.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1983
about Rose Baker
Name: Rose Baker
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Year of Registration: 1897
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 26
District: Westhampnett
County: Sussex
Volume: 2b
Page: 259 (click to see others on page)

Hi Lesley,
Thanks for offering your advice I already had the details of this birth but Reg wasn't convinced it was the right one so I haven't ordered it yet I believe his mother was probably Rose Phillips they married in the Midhurst registation district but it wasn't in the Singleton Parish church. I am thinking that perhaps tomorrow I could look in the surrounding parish churches and see if I can find their marriage and I was also thinking I could probably look for possible older siblings in Appuldram parish church seeing as that was where they were living and there are no others baptised in Singleton to these parents but there is a six year gap between marriage and Albert's birth. Other than that I'm not sure what else I can do it's just bugging me a bit where they disappeared to on the 1901 as when he marries he says he's of Singleton to me that sounds like he probably never went far.
Clare

Hi Reg,
Is it likely he would have been taken in as a nurse child if his father was still alive for feeding etc. If they were taken in as a nurse child would they still have kept their name?
Reg

If no relatives were able to look after the child, he could been taken in as a 'nurse child'..........

Reg

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Update
Hi,
Been back to the records office today have found my Albert's baptism which confirms that his father was Albert his mother Rose. He was baptised in Singleton on the 7th February 1897 it says his date of birth was 4th January 1897 which ties in with what my mum thought she always said his birthday was the 1st week in January. They were living in Appuldram, Sussex at the time of his baptism Father Albert was a Labourer. I believe his Mum dies in the same Q he is born in Westhampnett registration district. There are No Albert Baker's dieing between this baptism and the 1901 census and yet I still can't find them. I can only find 2 likely deaths at all for my Albert the Father one in the sep Q 1902 In Westhampnett and one in the Dec Q 1918 in Midhurst. The most likely marriage for them is in the Sep Q 1891 Midhurst 2b 695. This is for a Rose Phillips. If your Mum died and you were a matter of weeks old where would you have likely to have gone in 1897.
Many thanks for any suggestions.
Clare

Hi Reg,
Well maybe who knows but that doesn't really help me. The one that you believed was the census for the birth I have in Westhampnett didn't happen to have any siblings called Constance, Jack, George, or Allan did it?
Clutching at straws here I know.
Clare

The other possible scenario is that the father's name was 'dreamed up' for the sake of propriety...........

Reg

Hi everyone, just got back from the records office the box where the fathers occupation should go is empty. Thats obviously why I've left it so long to try and do anything with him it looks like its going to be almost impossible. Short of systematically reseaching all the Albert Baker's with a father called albert born around 1897 and ruling them out I don't think I can move on with this one unless anybody has any other ideas.
Clare

Hi Reg,
Sorry I meant to delete one word from the above message and managed to delete the whole lot. Thanks for the above info. I am just going to do the school run and then pop into the records office to double check that marriage for a fathers occupation. Will get back to the thread this afternoon and let you know if I find one even though I don't recall there being one, as I can't seem to find my copy of the parish reg but then again my filing system is terrible!
With thanks for your help.
Clare

Hi Clare

I widened the scope of the search to births in 1897 +/- 1yr, with father Albert

These are the results:

Albert Baker Albert,
Fanny abt 1896 Bramdean, Hampshire, England Son Bramdean, Hampshire

Albert Baker Albert,
Harriet abt 1898 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Son Portsmouth, Hampshire

Albert Baker Albert,
Harriet abt 1898 Leicestershire, England Son Leicester Formerly St Mary, Leicestershire

Albert Baker Albert,
Lilly abt 1897 Camberwell, London, England Son Newington, London

Albert Baker Albert,
Emma abt 1898 Deptford, London, England Son Rotherhithe, London

Albert Baker Albert,
Emily abt 1897 Doncaster, Yorkshire, England Son Doncaster, Yorkshire


This assumes that the father was alive in 1901..........


Reg

Hoping for some advice
Clare