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Hi Deb
Ive ordered Williams death cert online.


Joanne

Hi Joanne,

I thought that William may have been married before he married Frances because of his age, but I couldn't find a marriage for him. It looks like Frances was his only wife.

It's pretty conclusive that we have the right Frances and William marriage and that Frances was married to Jack before this.

Because Frances and Jack didn't appear to have any children in their short time together, there would be no reason to look any further along Jack's family line.

Purchasing his certs would clarify what we've already discovered, so you'd have peace of mind knowing you've got the right people, but that would be the only purpose for buying the certs.

I'll be happy to have a quick look at your tree.

Now, how does Druscilla Death come into this story, or is she another chapter all together?



Deb:)

Debs
Just to clarify - Im ordering death cert for William Darby (Baker)
Do i still need one for Jack who was thought to be Frances 1st husband ?
You mention William had a wife before - Did they have children ?

Just want to make sure im ordering the right certificates & really want to make sure the tree im doing is correct...

If i open imy tree up, would you mind taking a peep & give me your verdict ?

Sleep Tight
Joanne.x

Debs
thanks for that i will get the cert ordered in the morning...
It is rather sad isnt it ....

Joanne.x

Hi Joanne,

This is William's death ref.

Oct/Nov/Dec 1940

Darby, William G age 64 Edmonton vol 3a pg 1459


The details of his death will be on the cert along with spouse and informant. I don't imagine that it will be pleasant reading though. Poor man!


Such a sad ending.



Deb:)

You are an angel..

Thankyou so so much ...

Joanne.x

Right, this looks like him. His father's a baker, so promising that William followed his trade:



1881 England Census
about William G. Darby
Name: William G. Darby
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Henry H.
Mother's Name: Esther C.
Gender: Male
Where born: Deal, Kent, England

Civil Parish: Deal
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street address: 10 Water St.
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Eastry
Sub-registration district: Deal
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Arthur J. Darby
Charles J. Darby 3
Esther C. Darby 35
Harry E. Darby 6
Henry H. Darby 33<<<<<<<baker
Lizzie Darby 8
William G. Darby 4






BINGO!!!! William George is a baker:





1891 England Census
about William G Darby
Name: William G Darby
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Henry H
Mother's Name: Esther C
Gender: Male
Where born: Margate, Kent, England

Civil Parish: Deal
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrews
Town: Deal
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: Baker

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Eastry
Sub-registration district: Deal
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Arthur J Darby 10
Charles E Darby 11
Clara E Darby 7
Ernest A Darby 5
Esther C Darby 45
Harry E Darby 16
Henry H Darby 43
Herbert Darby 8
Lizzie Darby 18
William G Darby 14






I'm having problems finding him on the 1901. Probably mis-transcribed. Hopefully, someone else will spot him.


I can't see a likely looking marriage for him prior to his marriage to Frances.





Deb:)

Debs
You have just reminded me of something i was once told of Frances husband - That he was a lot older than her...
"Id say that you could be onto the right one"

Joanne.x

Hi Joanne,

I've been looking for William George and there's really only one that fits, name and age-wise.


Name: William George Darby
Year of Registration: 1876
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Eastry
County: Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 885



Because he was quite a bit older than Frances, I wouldn't mind betting he was married before. I'll see if I can find him on the census records.



Deb:)

There are no births that would fit the first John E but a few births that would fit for the second John. I still don't think he's the right one though.

So, instead of going on a wild goose chase for these children, we'll wait and see what the death cert turns up.

I'll have a look at William George Darby now and post what I find.



Deb:)

Hi Debs
Many Thanks


Joanne.x

Hi Joanne,

John/Jack died only a few months after the marriage. The cert will tell you how he died and will also confirm that he's the right one. He should be listed as the husband of Frances.


Name: John E Anderson
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Year of Registration: 1916
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 23
District: Bromley
County: Greater London, Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 560



There's also this death, but I'm inclined to lean towards the first one even though he died in Bromley.



Name: John Anderson
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Year of Registration: 1917
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 25
District: Bethnal Green
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1c
Page: 186


I'll have a look for any children.





Deb:)

Ladies - Do we know if Frances & Jack had any children in their 2 years of marriage ?


Joanne.x

Sophie, Deb
Can you help again please - Just spoke with my mum who says that Jack Anderson died tradgicly and says that no one would ever speak of it !!


Can we dig deeper please ?

Thanks for helping me get this far ladies..

Joanne.x

Oh, Sophie, that's brilliant!

So, Frances was married before to Jack Anderson then married William Darby.


Deb:)

Hi Deb
Joyce was the youngest, Her older brothers were

Gordon Darby - Born 1919, Married Rosemary & Died around 2000, His eldest child is Ann who lives/lived in Wigan, Lancs.
Two youngest were Cathy & Marion Darby.

John Darby - Had son Peter who emigrated to South Africa & daughter Jacqueline Darby (Who married Henrick) & Sylvia Darby

I know one of them married Marion ?

Joanne.x

Yes Sophie. That's the one I spotted.

The problem is that Frances was a Smith. I can't find a marriage for a Frances Smith to a Darby.


Deb:)

It's probably best to order her birth cert then you'll know for sure who Frances married. William george certainly looks right and he was the only civilian death that fit, but we can't be sure.


Was Joyce the eldest?



Deb:)

Hi Deb
Frances mary Ann Smith was born in 1896 Edwardstone Suffolk & appears on 1901 census at Moat Farm Mill Green Edwardstone - She died in 1973.
Her daughter (My Grandmother) Joyce Darby was born 1921 - vol 3a page 837

Thanks for helping..

Joanne.x

I don't think it's the right couple. Their first son was Stephen C born Sept 1921.

Joanne, do you have your grandmother's birth date?



Deb:)