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I'm stuck at the moment and wonder if anyone can help....

It seems my great-grandmother Mary Ford was born 31 March 1888, in Tweedmouth, Berwick-upon-tweed, Northumberland to William Ford and Mary Ann Bruce. In 1911 I think she was living in Glamorgan, South Wales however this is where I have hit a brick wall. I can't find her in the 1911 census. I know she was married twice. Her 1st marriage must have been sometime between 1904 and 1910 but I don't know where nor her married name so can't search for a record. She got together with her 2nd husband (although didn't marry him until 1941) in 1911 (O'Shea) but again I can't find anything relevant. Ford isn't throwing up any real matches either!

Would really welcome some tips!

Thanks in advance.

Beth

just for info here is 1901
Mary Ford
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1888
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Gender: Female
Where born: Northd, Ord

Civil parish: Ancroft
Ecclesiastical parish: Scremerston
Town: Scremerston
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Berwick
Sub-registration district: Norhamshire and Islandshire
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 77
Household Members:
Name Age
William Ford 44
Margaret B Ford 17
Henry Ford 15
Mary Ford 13
William Ford 11
Elizabeth Ford 9
Ellen J Ford 4
Margare Bruce 70

father in 1911
FORD, William Head Widower M 54 1857 Farm Labourer Hen Hill Lucker Northumberland VIEW
FORD, Margaret Bruce Daughter Single F 27 1884 Heatherytops Tweedmouth Ntd VIEW
FORD, Elizabeth Ann Daughter Single F 19 1892 Farm Worker Murton Farm Tweed Mouth North VIEW
FORD, Ellen Jane Daughter F 14 1897 Murton Farm Tweed Mouth North VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
31139 Reference:
RG14PN31139 RG78PN1782 RD567 SD2 ED9 SN63

Registration District:
Berwick Sub District:
Norhamshire and Islandshire Enumeration District:
9 Parish:
Horncliffe

Address:
Horncliffe Mains Horncliffe Berwick on Tweed

Births Dec 1911 (>99%)
O'Shea Hannah M Ford Pontypridd 11a 1026

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
Births Dec 1913 (>99%)
O'Shea William Ford Pontypridd 11a 1067
Births Mar 1918 (99%)
O'Shea John Ford Pontypridd 11a 930
Births Dec 1920 (>99%)
O'Shea Edward Ford Pontypridd 11a 1015

do you know when where Daniel O'Shea (second husband was born)
do you have their marriage cedrt form 1941?

which one is she?

Births Jun 1888 (>99%)
FORD Mary Berwick 10b 405 S
Births Dec 1888 (>99%)
FORD Mary Jane Berwick 10b 395

I thought it was Mary Ford (June 1888) because on her 2nd marriage certificate her father is called William Ford (Agricultural Labourer) and on this birth certificate it says her father is William Ford. I don't know if Mary Jane Ford (Dec 1888) also has a father called William Ford. If so it could be either Mary. Mary's 2nd husband was called Daniel O'Shea from Cork. On their marriage certificate in 1941 it notes that at the time of marrying Mary was a widow and Daniel was a widower. I know the name of Daniel's first wife but not Mary's 1st husband. Puzzling!

Thanks Victoria.

Beth

It is unusual for the female to use her maiden surname for her second marriage in England. Mary uses her maiden surname. As you are sure that she had been married before, were there any children from that marriage please?

When did Daniel's first wife die? If neither of them divorced then they would have to wait until both their previous spouses die before they could legally marry.

Name: Daniel O'shea
Spouse Surname: Ford
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1941
Registration district: East Glamorgan
Registration county (inferred): Glamorganshire
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 2503
Find Spouse: Mary Ford

If that birth for Hannah is one of Daniel and Mary's children, is this your Daniel in 1911 please?

HOUSEHOLD O'SHEA DANIEL M 1869 42 Pontypridd Glamorganshire

looks to be living with

HOUSEHOLD O'SHEA EDITH MAY F 1910 1 Pontypridd Glamorganshire
HOUSEHOLD O'SHEA JEREMIAH M 1884 27 Pontypridd Glamorganshire
HOUSEHOLD O'SHEA MARGARET F 1889 22 Pontypridd Glamorganshire
HOUSEHOLD O'SHEA WILLIAM M 1907 4 Pontypridd Glamorganshire

No none from her first marriage. Daniel's first wife died in 1910, Annie Roach. Her first was Hannah with Daniel.

Beth

Daniel was born in 1879. What is the address of this household though? Suppose people could lie on the censuses or things be incorrectly noted.

Beth

I dont think you have full 1911 access Rootgatherer, so putting this up.

O SHEA, Jeremiah Head Married
6 years M 27 1884 Coal Miner Hewer Glamorganshire Merthyr Tyafit
O SHEA, Margaret Wife Married F 22 1889 Glamorganshire Mountain Ash
O SHEA, William Son M 4 1907 Glamorganshire Mountain Ash
O SHEA, Edith May Daughter F 1 1910 Glamorganshire Mountain Ash
O SHEA, Daniel Boarder Single M 42 1869 Coal Miner Hewer Glamorganshire Merthyr Tydfd

Address:
77 Tyrfelin Street Penrhiwceiber

Do you have Daniels occupation Beth?
Also the address where Hannah was born?

Is this entry saying they were all born in Wales though, as Daniel was born in Cork and he had a brother in the South Wales valleys too who would have been from Cork.

What address was Hannah born at?

And how do you know where Daniel was born please?
What is his occupation?
Did he have children from his first marriage?
If so what are their names ,and when and where were they born?

All this is to help search the 1911.

Hannah (Ann as she was called) was born at Oakfield Street, Llanbradach according to her birth certificate.

Daniel was a coal hewer and my mother told me that Daniel was Irish, I have his birth certificate. Yes he had two children from his first marriage Mary (1905 in Llanwonno, Mountain Ash) and Alice (1908 in Llanwonno, Mountain Ash)

I know of their whereabouts in the 1991 census.Mary was in a sanatorium in Cardiff and Alice in an orphanage.

They were not in Oakfield Street on 1911 census.
I have checked every entry for the Street

It is a mystery to me! I don't know where to look next to be honest!

Nor me.

Sorry.

Daniel did live on Napier Street, Llanwonno, Mountain Ash during his 1st marriage. Anybody with the surname Ford, O'Shea or Roach living at the following addresses in the 1911 census?

33 NAPIER STREET MOUNTAIN ASH Llanwonno Pontypridd Glamorganshire

4 NAPIER STREET MOUNTAIN ASH Llanwonno Pontypridd Glamorganshire

6 NAPIER STREET MOUNTAIN ASH Llanwonno Pontypridd Glamorganshire

8 NAPIER STREET MOUNTAIN ASH Llanwonno Pontypridd Glamorganshire

13 NAPIER STREET MOUNTAIN ASH Llanwonno Pontypridd Glamorganshire

Thanks

Beth