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Hi I am trying to find information about my grandparents. James (John) Wallis, 9/5/1885 in Warwickshire England.

Catherine Howe, 3.6.1896 from South Shield.

This all the information I have on them except a copy of the marriage certificate. Think they may have come to Australa about 1910

would you like to share whats on the cert ?

fathers names and occupations etc.

were they married in Australia, cos Catherine is rather young?


EDIT Julie .... great minds think alike!

yup

Registration Number Groom's Surname Groom's Given Name(s) Bride's Last Name
at Time of Marriage Bride's Given Name(s) District * Purchase Certificate
1176/1928 WALLIS JAMES HOWE CATHERINE H REDFERN Buy Now

HOWE, CATHERINE ORPHANN SINGLE F 15 SCHOOL DURHAM JARROW

CONVENT BRAEFOOT WIGTON County Cumberland
District Wigton

could this be her ?

poss
Victoria, Australia, Assisted and Unassisted Passenger Lists, 1839–1923 about James Wallis
Name: James Wallis
Estimated birth year: abt 1887
Age: 24
Arrival Date: 17 Jan 1911
Arrival Port: Sydney, Australia
Departure Port: London
Ship: Ophir
Nationality: English

Hope this is right, still new to all of this. This could be her. My only information comes from her Marriage certificate. Am trying to trace her family & find out where she came from etc. Catherine married James Wallis Feb 1928 Sydney he was a Widower aged 42. Is this how you do things in this site.

As far as I know she came to Australia before marrying my grandfather . Was Told her middle name was Hilda this is true on Certificate

Father John Howe, mother Ellen Mc Kenely. John was a labour,

Hi, I am still looking for grandparents Howe Catherine born 1896. Thanks

They didn't marry in 1910, they married in Australia in 1928, so she was 32 on marriage and he was 43.

Catherine Howe's father was John, her mother Ellen McKennelly.

Off to look in UK.

Susan, I know you may not think it relevant but who were the parents of James Wallis on his marriage?

I'm sorely tempted by this one

1901 England Census about Kate How
Name: Kate How
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1893
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Ellen
Gender: Female
Where born: South Shields, Durham, England
Civil parish: South Shields
Ecclesiastical parish: South Shields St Jude
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: South Shields
Sub-registration district: South Shields
ED, institution, or vessel: 63
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 59
Household Members:
Name Age
Ellen How 27 married
Arthur W How 12
Kate How 8
Mary E How 4
Mary T How 1
Kate Donnelly 56


1891 England Census about John How
Name: John How
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Relation: Son-in-law
Gender: Male
Where born: South Shields, Durham, England
Civil parish: Westoe
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: South Shields
Sub-registration district: Westoe
ED, institution, or vessel: 31
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Catharine Donoly 64
Ellen Donoly 22
John How 24 son in law Miner
Arthur How 4/12
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possibly working away ?

1901 England Census about John Howe
Name: John Howe
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Durham, England
Civil parish: Stanley
Ecclesiastical parish: Beamish St Andrew
Town: Stanley
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Lanchester
Sub-registration district: Tanfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 75
Household Members:
Name Age
William Willson 42
Hannah Willson 38
Margaret Willson 19
Jane Willson 18
John Howe 27 mining boiler worker ?
Albert Howe 24

what does anyone think ?

Father William Wallis, mother was Florence Hannah Jilliver. This is what is on marriage certificate

1891 England Census about James Wallis
Name: James Wallis
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1886
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Gender: Male
Where born: Hints, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Hints
Ecclesiastical parish: St Bartholomew
Town: Hints
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Tamworth
Sub-registration district: Fazeley
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William Wallis 31 gardener widowed
Florence H Wallis 12
John W Wallis 9
James Wallis 5




1881 England Census about Florence Hannah Wallis
Name: Florence Hannah Wallis
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Lucy
Gender: Female
Where born: Amington, Warwickshire, England
Civil parish: Hints
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Tamworth
Sub-registration district: Fazeley
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William Wallis 28
Lucy Wallis 29
Sarah Ann Wallis 6
Harrit Wallis 4
Florence Hannah Wallis 2
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My guess is hes given his sisters name

WILLIAM WALLIS
Pedigree
Male
Family

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Marriages:
Spouse: LUCY GILLIVER
Family
Marriage:
22 SEP 1873 Polesworth, Warwick, England


that seems to have sorted that little muddle out.

1861 England Census about William Gilliver
Name: William Gilliver
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1830
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Charlotte
Gender: Male
Where born: Warter, Warwickshire, England
Civil parish: Polesworth
Town: Polesworth
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Atherstone
Sub-registration district: Atherstone
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 64
Household Members:
Name Age
William Gilliver 31 miner
Charlotte Gilliver 32
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Lucy Gilliver 10
Maria Gilliver 8
James Gilliver 2

now if you look for William Gilliver on Familysearch.org you will find the family back to 1680

I was trying to get my head around Lindsey's postings:

Marriages Sep 1890 (>99%)
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Donelly Ellen S. Shields 10a 1006

Spouse Jonathan Howe

So by the time Catherine married, she'd got her mum's maiden name a bit confused.

Can't find anything better than Lindsey has. My guess is grandma Catherine (from Ireland) was 46 in 1891, the enumerator switched the numbers or it happened when the sheets were compiled. And Arthur W is her grandson, not nephew. And Ellen is Ellen How, not Donnelly. Other ages are a bit dodgy, but still...

1911 has a Mary Howe age 11 and a Maggie Howe 8 in Durham Union Girls Home, described as a training home, only 22 girls, so doesn't sound like a workhouse though they're all described as inmates.

It's probaably one of those homes for girls at risk ? They were trained for service.

My plot does seem a bit wobbly but that's all I can come up with. I reckon the older sister Florence brought the children up as Mum Lucy died young.

and

when Granny Catherine died the Howes were put into care?


[ I might have been watching too many episodes of "when the boat comes in " !! ]


Australia would have seemed a glamorous prospect