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Can anyone please assist me with a search by address ?

I would like to know who was living at 123 Nelson Street West in the sub district of Lady wood , Birmingham during the census of 1881.

The person I am looking for was born there in December 1881 per their birth certificate (so fingers crossed the family was there for the few months preceding that)

I am trying to find the Wort family - I am hoping that anyone who can look at the original census might find their names at the address given. Being quite an unusual I am hoping that it may have been transcribed incorrectly which is why I have been unable to locate them

I would be grateful if you could also give me the reference number for the address if you do find it

Thank you so much

One of their first names and rough date of birth would help - sometimes it's easier to look for forename - no surname - and year of birth.

Jill

Births Mar 1882 (>99%)
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Wort Emily Birmingham 6d 51
Wort Thomas George Birmingham 6d 23



which one


June x

Hi

I'm looking for Thomas George Wort - the address I gave is the one given on his birth certificate - so I then thought there is a chance his parents are at the same address in the 1881 census.

His parents are given as George and Elizabeth

Thanks everyone

OK - no sign so far.

There are a few coming up in the Ladywood area but I cannot search just on the address in Ancestry.

Have you found him in 1891 and 1901. It will probably be easier to try and find George and Elizabeth just using forenames as they may have been mistranscribed.

If you have them in 1891 what ages are they and where were they born? If we can find them then problem solved.

Jill

Thanks for your interest Jill

No I have nothing - that is why I hoped someone might know the reference for that address then it would be a very easy task to see if they had been there

Still struggline.

What was dad's occupation from the birth cert?

1891 - only one coming close so far - mum is a widower.

homas Ward
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmingham

Civil Parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Alice A Ward 2
Elizabeth Ward 38
George Ward 13
Louisa Ward 12
Martha Ward 17
Mary Ann Ward 5
Matilda Ward 10
Thomas Ward 8

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I wonder if she pronounced the name Wart or Wort. If she pronounced it Wart it would be easily misheard as Ward ....

i have found the address and the family are not living there on the 1881 census sorry its a family called lilley

Good evening Jill

I quite agree with you Ward could easly have been written instead of Wort so they are possibles - I will have to go back to my friend who I am reasearching for and see if any of the sibling names make any sense

Thanks for your time and insterest so far

Saul

Hello Avril

Would you kindly give me the Census reference number as I would like to locate the original entry and make a copy for my friend who I am searching for

Many thanks

Saul

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1881 England Census
about John Samuel Lilley
Name: John Samuel Lilley
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Charlotte
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmn, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address: 123 Nelson St W
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Jeweller

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: Lady Wood
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charlotte Lilley 30
Clement Lilley 5
John Samuel Lilley 31
Stephen Lilley 7

George Thomas Wort
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Year of Registration: 1883
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 1
District: Alderbury
County: Wiltshire
Volume: 5a
Page: 95 (click to see others on page)
i am wondering if this is your thomas as well

1901

Name: T G Wort
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: Aldershot Military in Stanhope and Wellington Lines
Ecclesiastical parish: Aldershot St Michael
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Farnham
Sub-registration district: Aldershot
ED, institution, or vessel: First Home Counties Reserve Regiment and Fifth Royal Irish Regiment
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1





1891
Name: Homas G Wort
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation: Son
Father's Name: George
Mother's Name: Ann E
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
Town: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: Lady Wood
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ann E Wort 32
Elsie L Wort 2/12
George Wort 33 Birmingham, Warwickshire
Homas G Wort 9
William Wort 7
William Wort 7




Deaths Mar 1892 (>99%)
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Wort Elsie Lavinia age 1 Birmingham 6d 19




1881

Name: George Wort
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Lucy
Gender: Male
Where born: Birm'm, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address: 54 Grosnr St House 2 CT 6
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Tube Filer

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: Lady Wood
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Albert Wort 8
Alfred Wort 19
George Wort 23
Henry Wort 5
John Wort 13
Lucy Wort 50
William Wort 49


June x

1901

Name: George Wort
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Brother
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Margaret
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:tube filer

Condition as to marriage:widower

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: Lady Wood
ED, institution, or vessel: 42
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 64
Household Members: Name Age
Ada Wort 3
Ada J Wort 26
George Wort 43
John J Wort 32
Winifred A Wort 1



June x

1901

Name: William Wort
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Anne E
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmingham

Civil Parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: Summerfield Christchurch
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:married

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: Lady Wood
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 259
Household Members: Name Age
Adolphus H Wort 6
Anne E Wort 42
Elizabeth Wort 12
William Wort 17




Births Mar 1889 (>99%)
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Wort Elizabeth Birmingham 6d 58



so where is Elizabeth in 1891 census
and why does husband George say he is widower in 1901 ?
found Elizabeth in 1891 census she is on image with her
parents

June x

Firstly a mail to thank Avril for the information on 1881 census regarding Nelson street

Avril - the Thomas George Wort I was looking for is the grandfather of a friend so fortunatley he is not the one you found who died aged 1

Hello June

Well excellent sleuthing by you I think!!

Firstly your post of 10.46 today

The 1901 census entry is almost certainly the Wort we are looking for as my colleague told me he knows his grandfather was in the Army - so well done on that

The 1891 census entry also fits very well and seems very promising

The 1881 census showing his father as a young man does look good but then where is the mother?

Also then I am wondering where/when the marriage took place?

On TG Worts birth certificate his mother is recorded as Elizabeth Wort formerly Lydeard. I have found the birth of an Elizabeth Lydeard in 1858 (which is a nice match for George Wort also born in 1858) but have not found a marriage - your next mission!!!

I think perhaps that when George says he is a widower in 1901 that may be true - because TG Wort is almost certainly by then a soldier

In that case we are looking also for the death of an Elizabeth Wort sometime between 1891 and 1901

thanks for all your help so far - I will have plenty to tell my colleague when i go back to work!!

Hi Saul look at top of page for the 1901 census mother is still alive with children

June x

Marriages Mar 1910 (>99%)
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LYDEARD Annie Elizabeth Birmingham 6d 123
Wort George Birmingham 6d 123



look at this marriage
what do you think , has on all census she is Annie E


June x